This is the point that will be referenced in history books as the beginning of the second civil war.
As if Americans won’t roll over and accept this as normal just as they have for every other batshit betrayal of their principles that’s taken place this century.
There is a point where people can’t roll over and accept it. It’s going to be when food and water scarcity becomes wider spread.
The goal for the last century was to reduce the ability for people to be self-sufficient and make them entirely reliant on an employer. When people can no longer rely on their employer for basic needs, things get fucky.
You gotta remember Americans are irrational, and largely unpredictable. In the long run, the goal of the regime will fail, but not before doing significant damage.
In 1933, many Germans also thought that things would not get that horrible. The established centrist parties believed they could keep Hitler under control - as did business leaders, unless they had already made arrangements with the Nazis to secure even greater profits. We all know how that turned out.
But since no one seems to learn from history, the danger of fascism is once again being underestimated today.
What I’m trying to say is: fight back while you still can! If this doesn’t happen soon and in an organized way, it will be too late and history will repeat itself.
I think that’s pretty likely, when I read comments like that. I just don’t think the majority of US citizens are aware of what it means to live in a dictatorship: For the rest of the world, not much will probably change, but it certainly will for those Americans who are not on the side of the fascists.
What I’m trying to say is: fight back while you still can! If this doesn’t happen soon and in an organized way, it will be too late and history will repeat itself.
Except it won’t, because this time there’s no external superpower to save us from ourselves.
What about China?
It’s not as if the US won World War II on its own. That may be what they teach in your schools, but in fact, the losses suffered by your former ally, the USSR, were many times higher.
Of course, it’s possible that Trump will come to an arrangement with Russia, especially because he obviously has the same interests as Putin - but the fact is that China is the new world’s super power.
Feel free to dismiss that as my opinion, but it’s actually true. The US may still be the strongest military power, but economically it has been overtaken by China. That’s why Trump’s import tariffs have little effect on the Chinese - it’s a power game in which the US is coming up short.
Edit: Sorry, I just reread my comment and realized how arrogant and patronizing it is. I’ll leave it up anyway. Please overlook the arrogance and just consider the statement - sorry!
Sorry, I just reread my comment and realized how arrogant and patronizing it is
I didn’t read it that way, and frankly I agree with you about China’s economic ascendance. That said, China is still a long way from being a “superpower” in the military sense and that’s the kind of intervention that would be the parallel to nazi Germany.
China has three aircraft carriers, all diesel-fueled, the largest of which is similar in size to the ones the US was building in the '60s. In comparison, the US has 11 nuclear supercarriers with roughly double the aircraft capacity each, plus another 32 “amphibious warfare ships” that would be considered aircraft carriers in their own right if they were being operated by any other country.
Say what you will about carriers’ vulnerability to hypersonic missiles and such, but China would be severely limited in its ability to project power against the US mainland due to its lack of them. The chance of China liberating the US from Trump’s tyranny is absolutely 0%, and that’s before even considering whether it would actually be “liberation” or not.
All true, but in a world where nuclear weapons exist, I think all of that is only of secondary importance. I believe that in a world where even 100 million fighter jets can be destroyed by a drone, the absurdly high military spending of the US is absolutely counterproductive. I mean, what the US spends on this every year exceeds the GDP of medium-sized countries many times over - that’s plenty money that is lacking in many important areas and could be invested much more sensibly.
In my opinion, the Chinese have recognized this and therefore do not want to be an unnecessarily expensive, apparent military power, even if they could afford it.
In short, I think it’s a mistake to invest in conventional weapons instead of in your own people and infrastructure, because possessing nuclear weapons is already enough of a deterrent. I mean, if you wanted to, you could destroy the entire world with them - and that is true for decades now – no one wants that, even if you have state-of-the-art aircraft carriers.
Edit: When the Nazis were defeated, nuclear weapons did not yet exist, which is why this discussion seems rather hypothetical to me - I think today the effect would be the end of humanity because fascists would be willing to accept that. Instead, it seems all the more important to me that democratic countries try to prevent fascist movements from within.
America also wasn’t a military superpower at the start of WW2 other than its Navy.
That was actually a pretty significant reason that it didn’t join the war at the beginning, it simply couldn’t, the military was not ready/modernized and would not be for years.
There were all the elements it needed, eg the industry and resources, available manpower, and more importantly a military that was heading down the “correct” paths of doctrine, carrier warfare and combined arms on land.
I would say China is actually in a more ready state than America was in 1939, just not for invading America. Which is impossible, no nation can risk invading through the American Navy much less the threat of nuclear destruction.
The bigger issue is nukes I think. You cannot overthrow a regime militarily these days, countries have simply a tool that is far too destructive to realistically risk it
This is, sadly, the truth. For all people like to bluster about political action, most people are kept just comfortable enough to feel like they have something to lose if they attend protests or speak out. The stuff that Trump is doing right now is bad, but it’s enough degrees of separation away from affecting the average person that someone who isn’t tuned in to the political messaging will probably not notice. Even if they did notice, would they be motivated to risk losing their livelihood and shelter over it? It won’t get bad enough for civil war until food or water becomes impossible to acquire. Bread lines are the last step before the ruling class loses control over everyone beneath them.
They’ll still misdirect their anger and turn on each other.
John Brown has been on my mind a lot, truly one of the greatest Americans to live, and he aptly said after Harper’s Ferry “I am quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think vainly, flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.”
It will say something like:
“The twitter wars. Millions of people posted comments on social media and upvoted posts, and were shocked when it changed absolutely nothing.”
Arguably, that was April 15. This is the first demonstration of force though. I say demonstration because they aren’t actually doing anything yet other than trying to look big and tough.
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Don’t forget that Donny’s having a birthday military parade coming up. We need to show up and sound off. If he wants America to be great we need to show how great we are against him and this regime.
He’ll take long-distance photos of the crowds so you can’t see the slogans on the picket signs, and he’ll spin it as “look at how many people turned up for my parade!”
Yes. The best thing that could happen would be for no one to show up
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Especially the military. He needs to be shown that the armed forces will not be his personal vendetta machine, nor his personal anything
Guess we all need smoke grenades
Or shoot them.
Tomatoes, lots of tomatoes…
I know tacos are more expensive than tomatoes, but it would be way funnier
Don’t waste tacos on Trump, throw a wrapped up dog turd in TP and call it a taco. We eat tacos after, wash your hands before please.
Those 77.3 million Trump voters must be loving all this.
It’s a shame they aren’t rounded up and shipping off somewhere.
Trump voters just want to see people they don’t like being hurt. That’s pretty much it. The boot on their opponent’s neck and inflict pain until they submit. They’re all about punishment.
Republican voters see the choice as:
- Wear the boot
- Be under the boot
Sane people ask, “do we really need to stomp necks?”
And Democratic leadership asks if the boots really need to be steel tip.
That last sentence is painful.
It really is, but my hope for positive change is in the goddamn toilet anymore.
Some are, the latinos…
18 U.S. Code § 2381
“Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”
We need to bring back of some of this “law and order”, there’s a traitor right there within the executive branch.
there’s a traitor right there within the executive branch
Within the executive? I think this time around it’s pretty safe to say the entire executive branch is an enemy organization within the government.
For the first Trump term sure, maybe a bunch of them were just innocent regular republicans who only want to hurt the people who “deserve” it. You know, wrong skin color, wrong balance sheet balance, wrong bloodline, the usual violations… But anybody there now cannot pretend like they don’t support the dismantling of our form of government.
…ok sure of course they can pretend. Delusion and dodging cognitive dissonance is like breathing for them. But they sure can’t deny it— shit wait yes they can and it will work. Never mind!
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War on America? You guys realized that you have oil of your own and don’t need to invade other countries anymore?
You’re joking, but accurate with the recent push to start drilling in our national parks :(
The US produces the most oil of any country in the world, for several years now if I remember right
Its about having operating bases around the world, to make sure you can reach/strike/influence anywhere you need.
The Taliban are jealous. Imagine, the Taliban never touched American soil. But the president is putin boots on the ground. Against Americans!
We cannot be silent in the face of Trump’s dictatorial move. Silence is acquiescence. We must be brave in resisting him. But we must not succumb to violence.
What is needed is peaceful civil disobedience. Americans locking arms to protect those who need protection. Americans sitting in the way of armored cars. Americans singing and chanting in the face of the Americans whom Trump is drafting into his handmade civil war.
Because peaceful civil disobedience definitely wont be met by force with 0 repercussions
Well, you guys have guns. Time to use them what your founding fathers want you all to use them for, if it comes to it.
I honestly do not believe anything short of violent revolt will achieve any results. I am happy to be proven wrong as someone who isn’t really keen on that, but I just don’t see it.
This could be the American Reichstag.
The Reichstag was the parliament of the Weimar Republic, the democratic precursor to Germany that was taken over by the Nazis in 1933. Today, the building where the Bundestag, Germany’s current parliament, meets is still called the Reichstag.
However, the similarity lies in the fact that the current US administration is acting very much like the Nazis did in 1933 - in my opinion, they are in the process of overturning the democratic constitution in order to establish a fascist state.
That’s probably what you mean, but it’s a bit strangely worded.
He meant the Reichstag fire.
Ahh, that makes sense. Thx.
Russian scum
No troops have been deployed.
“Trump wants to deploy troops to look tough” is a better headline.
Trump signed a memo late yesterday ordering 2,000 members of the National Guard to be deployed in Los Angeles County after federal immigration agents in riot gear squared off with hundreds of protesters for a second consecutive day
Life isn’t instant.
He ordered it, if it doesn’t happen it’s because someone in the chain of command is disobeyi g orders.
Not saying that’s a bad thing, or that it’ll happen.
But he has 100% ordered troop to be deployed and it’s actively in process. The headline is 100% correct
It’s not clear that he has the authority to order it, especially over the objection of the state governor. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/presidents-power-call-out-national-guard-not-blank-check is from 2024, largely about when Trump 1 ordered National Guard to DC, and why it’s different in states.
TL; DR: National Guard is a state organization; if the President federalizes it, then it becomes subject to posse commitatus, same as the Army.
It’s not clear that he has the authority to order it
Yeah and the courts can argue about that while it happens. That’s been his whole deal. Do whatever he wants and maybe someone will say “hey that’s illegal” but by that point it’s too late.
You mean “it’s clear that he does not have the authority to order it.” Anything short of that helps normalize Trump’s fascist lawlessness.
if the President federalizes it, then it becomes subject to posse commitatus, same as the Army.
Which has happened before. Against Biden’s wishes at the time, it was done to enforce school desegregation in the south.
Like, trump tries to pull lots of unprecedented shit, but this is precedented.
It all depends on how Newsome handles it. And Newsome is a pretty big piece of shit.
Next election for Cali gov is 2026 at least, this will push them away from neoliberals and towards a progressive willing to fight.
We’re well past the point shit gets fixed quickly, doesn’t mean stop fighting, just get your expectations straight.
I thought the national guard was mobilized ?
It has been there are videos of them in the area preparing to do whatever.
NYT has some video of some troops guarding the “Metropolitan Detention Center”, so we have proof of at least the seven troops pictured.
You’re an idiot.
This ia what they have been waiting for.
Meanwhile the US citizens are hell-bent on speedrunning Martin Niemöller’s best hits.
The military should have refused the orders and arrested the Orange Jackass.
