Tried to support the industry by buying a movie a watch a lot. Well, no more. If I need a pihole just to watch a movie I own, that’s ridiculous.
“It also enables the delivery of advertising content”
They already paid for the product! Double-dipping assholes
I wonder if these people think everyone wants to be advertised to.
I don’t think they care
No, I am 100% certain they know that the vast majority of people don’t care and some people really really hate it, but nobody actually enjoys it.
Someone I know who is currently on a pseudoscience and conspiracy theory arc genuinely believes that personalized ads are good because then you can easily buy things you know you’ll like
sadly, i too heard that from somebody 🤷
Guess there’s no accounting for stupid.
Some people are allergic to researching their purchases
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I’ve bought things from personalized ads before. But mostly they’re annoying. And creepy.
the idea of “just browse the web normally with someone looking over your shoulder taking notes on what you like to then sell you shit - or even better, it infers what you like using magic and can even tell when you’re pregnant before you know it yourself” can be nice in some ways I guess, but yeah I agree. no thanks.
triple-dipping, they also get your data.
No no, you see. You didn’t pay for the product but the license for the product. Now it makes sense, right?
I don’t understand. Maybe a set of adverts would help me?
Yeah I just straight up pirate movies now, I don’t even try to hide it from people anynore. It’s clear to me at this point that all these companies care about is getting richer by the minute off the backs of the common man, and their excuses for doing so are getting more and more pathetic.
I have friends who work in the film industry and they pirate movies and TV shows all the time.
Me too. By the time a movie or TV show actually makes it to distribution, most people who worked on it have already made their paycheck and moved on to the next project.
What capitalists are doing is intentionally sharpening the contradiction, probably with the goal of a revolution or reform in their favor (as can be seen in the USA right now). The neat thing about sharpened contradictions is that it will inevitably lead to change, the bad thing is that this is a massively organized effort with tons of planning and coordination, and The People:tm: are not ready for it.
Pirating movies is pretty good though. Mainstream media always manages to exploit labor incredibly harshly, to the point of suicide, and that behavior should not be rewarded IMO. Of course there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but one can dream. As an aside, pirated media is also incredibly convenient. There is a great community spirit in the piracy community.
I think I’ve bought two movies ever.
Piracy is now better and safer than using “real” discs. Well done, Sony.
Why is your Blu-ray player connected to the internet?
VLC on a Linux laptop. You think my Blu-ray player has the ability to take screenshots?
Yes, and I assume you wrote this message on your blu-ray player and typed it with your remote
You never heard of a capture card?
Can I introduce you to my friend MakeMKV?
MakeMKV handles my Blu-ray decryption for VLC
Never heard of HDCP?
HDCP is easy to bypass. Almost laughable really, there are tons of “Splitters” and Strippers on the market. I’ve also seem a few totally legal capture cards that can read it directly.
You can crack anything if you are remotely motivated.
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Never say never. Especially since we’re only in the beginning of the AI era, AI de-compilation is starting to become feasible, AI cracking probably will too.
Does VLC report this? Kinda seems like the sorta thing that only works on actual players.
It tried to. I use an opnsense firewall which caught it. I copied my logs and submitted the domains to a popular dns blocklist and they’ve already been merged.
Thanks!
Was this like an iso file of the disk that you played played in vlc? And you’re saying it tried to ping that telemetry domain? I’m not quite understanding the context here.
Physical disc in a cd/dvd/bluray drive
So you put the physical disk in and it plays through vlc player on your pc?
If so, are you sure it was vlc that pinged the domain and not the bluray player?
Both devices made ping attempts. Not hard to confirm with firewall logs bc of timestamps and internal IP addresses.
Disconnect from the internet while watching. Close it when you finished. Restart your computer, then connect to the internet and you should be fine I think
I’m all good. I really wasn’t asking for tech support. Just sharing something with the community. Don’t worry, Sony didn’t get my data.
Thanks for the helpful thoughts though.
VLC can play blurays?
VLC plays everything
I am sometimes surprised to find new things VLC can do, it’s awesome.
But for real, does it play blu rays? I was under the impression it did not and you had to get that $100 program.
It does. Last time I did it, though, it required a couple of files to get going. Have a look here for info: http://fvonline-db.bplaced.net/
It does but I use makemkv for the Blu-ray decryption
Not UHD discs. Those don’t play on windows.
Not out of the box, AFAIK, but there is a plugin. I never got it to work though, because you also need some up-to-date certification file.
Yeah it seems really strange. I know some Bluray players support Internet connectivity but unless they’re also a Streaming box I don’t see why people would connect them to the internet. Really it seems like the majority of people don’t so not sure how useful this feature is.
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Welp, blu ray playyæer sure don’t need no internet - gimme dumb technology plz
usually bluray and 4k players need to connect to the internet at least once in order to download the codecs, but like yea I disconnect mine from the internet right after
blu ray playyæer
Did a cat jump on your keyboard?
The industry will take whatever steps it needs to protect itself and protect its revenue streams ... It will not lose that revenue stream, no matter what ... Sony is going to take aggressive steps to stop this. We will develop technology that transcends the individual user. We will firewall Napster at source – we will block it at your cable company. We will block it at your phone company. We will block it at your ISP. We will firewall it at your PC ... These strategies are being aggressively pursued because there is simply too much at stake. - Steve Heckler, senior vice president of Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc, August 2000
quote from https://web.archive.org/web/20010201204600/http://www.nyfairuse.org/sony.xhtml
via https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
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there is simply too much at stake
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PS3 was one of the first affordable blu ray players right off the bat with internet connectivity
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BD-live was a thing going way back then. BD players had network connectivity because stuff like that was a selling point.
But it seems like you’re adjusting the question to be more “do BD players REQUIRE internet connections”. No probably not.
And off track, for some people the primary function of the PS3 might have been to play movies. BD players were several thousand dollars, a ps3 was like $700-800. There was definitely chatter along the lines of it being a Sony product would be best in class for BD playback as well.
When I first started dating my partner I asked why she had a PS2 with no games. She said it was her mum’s that she just uses for dvd.
Playstations
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fucking everything connects to the internet these days dude. You fridge, you tv, hell probably even your toothbrush what the hell comment is this? “what you are driving at” is a world that no longer exists, this smart tech shit is being shoved down all our throats as we speak.
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Which is why I am incredulous at the idea that a Blu-ray player needs to connect to the internet
Is it really that hard to imagine a future where DRM encroaches further and further on us? Your fuckin blue ray player might not connect to the internet but it is still region locked.
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Ignore them, they are a troll and aren’t likely acting in good faith.
A 1080p player does not require internet connectivity but 4K/UHD discs need to phone home in order to get decryption keys on a per disc basis. There is a lot of discussion about this in the MakeMKV forums if you want to do a deeper dive.
4K/UHD discs need to phone home in order to get decryption keys on a per disc basis
Is that true for hardware players? I’ve only seen people talking about software players like Power DVD having to get keys from the Internet.
Most if not all 4k players are network enabled due to the DRM that is on the 4k medium. From my experiences, they usually need to connect to the internet to download the keys at least once before anything 4k works. DVD and BD usually work without issue though.
How goofy.
Like, I understand most people have internet at home nowadays but come on, I thought a big point of Physical Media was not needing the damn internet to work!4k players
Are you talking about software players or 4k decks?
my quick search for “Blu Ray players” brought up a list. 4 of the first 5 i saw were also “streaming boxes” with wi-fi. the 5th had an Ethernet port. didn’t really check further but looks like it’s pretty common now.
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How else would Sony track you while you watch a legitimate BD playing on your personal, paid-for hardware, silly goose?
Maybe sorta to update keys? But I think they will also do that if you pop in a newer disc. It’s been known to cause an issue with playback of older disks, I think.
The whole process of buying media is broken.
good question, but i dunno, sorry. my guess would be probably not, based on the smart tv i never connected to the web that works just fine… but I’m an avowed and avid pirate and don’t remember the last time i paid to watch something at home :D yarrrr
They don’t really, out of all the complaints I’ve heard people make about Bluray players (Disc Recognition, Region Locking) I’ve never heard them complain that it needed to be connected to the internet. It’s an optional feature, not a requirement.
Mine can because it also has Netflix, Hulu, etc. built in.
Do the apps still work? The biggest issues I’ve found with Bluray players like that is that the Streaming Apps on them tend to become Obsolete and broken fairly quickly.
Some have stopped working, like SteamLink, but others still work. I know it’s just a matter of time.
Yes.
They can, many have Ethernet ports and even Wifi in some cases but there’s no practical reason to do so unless they have streaming features you want to use but most don’t, and the ones that do often aren’t updated so you’ll find the Streaming Apps on them usually don’t work anymore.
I mean it makes sense to have them network connected like to use a receiver and networked speakers.
I bought a cheap one in 2012 and it has an Ethernet port.
can we find a way to spoof this so that they think legit physical disk usage is going up?
I don’t think it’s a good metric since most people using Blurays don’t have their players connected to the Internet anyway. Connecting Bluray players online is a very niche use-case. It might be more popular if they had built-in Streaming Apps or NAS playback but many don’t and are just Bluray players.
Or just any game console? Which is the normal Blu-ray player?
I’m not really sure if they’re they’re the biggest userbase of Bluray movies. I know lots of them do but also many don’t, especially with the promotion of Digital-Only Game Systems and Also Streaming services. Most people I know who buy and use Blurays just have a basic Bluray player and aren’t really gamers.
The only reason I had my bluray player connected to the internet was because the yahoo who dropped it off at the thrift store didn’t bother signing out of their pandora account, so I could listen to ad free music. Otherwise I would never connect to the internet since all the old applications ( including a blockbuster app of all things ) probably wouldn’t even work.
Knowing this could happen, I will definitely be sure to completely disconnect from the internet the next time I turn that thing on since last time I tried using pandora it wasn’t working.
Haha no it doesn’t.
unplugs NIC
rips blu-ray with blu-ray drive running old firmware
Or… Here me out, don’t do that.
By giving them money, from their perspective, you’ve accepted their t&c. If they get data or not, that’s just icing on the cake.
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borrows blu-ray instead of buying it
Can you share which movie this was? I’ve never seen anything like that.
Gran Turismo
Farturismo
At least you can watch BDs without a web connection still. For now…
Also, LibreDrive is a thing for hacking BD drives with in order to bypass DRM, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that got blocked and/or taken down at some point.
My Blu Ray drive has never been connected to the web, its region free, but doesn’t do 4k-BD. My Linux HTPC is configured with an ASUS libredrive, and has MakeMKV installed. The Linux variant of MakeMKV is borked right now, in a good way! The 30 day trial period doesn’t expire!
If I wanna watch a 4k bluray I have to rip it and watch it on my PC, because I’d rather do that than get a BD player that needs internet
The author posts new temporary keys on the official forums regularly, in one of the stickies.
Havent needed them in months, I’ve been at 30 days remaining in evaluation period for 3 months.
This is the evil shit
I’m still getting justified in my boycott of anything Sony that started in 2005, when they bricked my PC for daring to put a Sony CD in my computer’s CD player! Fucking rootkit.
Yes I’m still holding that grudge and I will not relent, for as long as I live.
Any movie I watch I make sure it’s not a Sony product, any music I listen to, I make doubly sure it’s not from a Sony studio. Any electronics I buy, I make triply sure it doesn’t contain any Sony product. Sony is not getting a dime from me ever again!
Fuck Sony!
That rootkit thing failed miserably, thankfully, and audio CDs have been DRM-free ever since.
Sure, but I’m not touching anything Sony with a 10 foot pole.
Sure, but I’m not touching anything Sony with a 10 foot pole.
That’s going to discount most of the camera market if not the entire camera market then because Sony makes basically everyone’s imaging sensors, plus a large portion of the anime genre given that company bought out Funimation.
The problem is every company is a Sony now.
So you have to buy from your least hated Sony. You can’t just boycott Sony.
And even if you do boycott Sony, that’ll discount entire market segments and almost entire content niches as I just mentioned.
Yes! I’ve never met anyone else who’s been boycotting Sony since the rootkit! Maybe there are dozens of us? Either way: fuck Sony!
What happens of you hit skip. Does it not let you play the disk?
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Politely asking the spying-on-you-box to not spy on you
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It let’s you continue no problem.
Just like most modern video games these days that have the second agreement after the EULA. They make it seem necessary, knowing 99% of people will see all of the words and just skip to the bottom and hit “accept.”
Still gross, but not really the problem that people here seem to think it is.
