• Vintage Story has the graphics of that other voxel graphics based block game. The gameplay is so good that I bought and play VS, and Terraria, but I haven’t ever played more than 30 minutes of the other block game.

    Graphics barely matter. Gameplay is king.

  • @steeznson@lemmy.world
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    There was an excellent text based RPG called Roadwarden that came out the other year. It’s just text and illustrations so thought I’d use this post to mention it.

    If small amounts of animation are allowed then WORLD OF HORROR was decent too.

  • @Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club
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    It was never about fun. It’s about experiencing the game.

    When I read a book, the goal is to have whatever experience the book is going to give me, and leave my own life behind for a while.

    Getting lost in a AAA fantasy world with super-high-fidelity graphics is an amazing experience.

    • @xvapx@lemmy.world
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      Absolutely not, of course it is about having fun.
      Are you going to just experience something that makes you feel miserable? Not an unfun moment for catharsis later, but an entire make-you-feel-awful experience?
      Getting lost in a fantasy world is about having fun.

      • @Soulg@ani.social
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        Horror games exist though. There’s all sorts of indie horror games that pretty much only exist to tell a very bleak and depressing story and then it’s over.

        They’re not for everyone, and maybe not even you, but I would say that experiencing those might be enjoyable but not fun.

        • @LanguageIsCool@lemmy.world
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          That’s a good point. They’re tools that help us feel a variety of things.

          Games and books are easier to think of as being “fun” in many cases. Listening to music isn’t “fun” in the same sense, but it allows us to feel all kinds of stuff. Makes sense that games and books can be thought of outside the fun paradigm too.

    • @Jankatarch@lemmy.world
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      Journey the game had extremely great graphics that are also good style and made you get lost in the fantasy and experience.

      The character still did not have things like visible strands of individual hair. Realistic does not automatically make it good. It just makes it expensive.

      • Are you referencing the one by Jenovah Chen, who made Fl0w and Flower? Those two games were so good but I never got to play Journey, is it still ps3 exclusive?

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        Also, it is more expensive on the GPU than it is in terms of creator time.

        A creator with experience in making realistic hair using currently available tools, won’t take significantly more time as compared to one with experience in some other art style, making the thing in that art style.


        Unless, you manage to get that to run well on a lower powered GPU, in which case, 🚀

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        I honestly think it would be interesting to play a game by sound alone, where you play as a blind person (maybe Daredevil or Zatoichi or something) and you navigate the world by listening. Ironically, it’d probably need to be on a VR headset so that the game can detect you turning/tilting your head and adjust the stereo balance accordingly.

        Maybe Zatoichi would be best, as you could hear an enemy swinging a sword like “SHING” and “SWOOSH” etc, and maybe that would give you enough information to block or dodge. You’d probably also need haptic feedback to tell you when your blade connects.

        Maybe there could be graphics, but only to recreate the sense of smell, like the screen is pure black except when you smell something and then a word appears on the screen like “rose” or “blood” etc.

        • @SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
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          There is some game where you are blind any the only thing you can see is blood from what ever you killed splashed on the walls. Totally forget what it’s called. But yea yours sounds cooler

  • @andros_rex@lemmy.world
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    It’s creative bankruptcy. Things don’t need to be realistic, it’s called style.

    Stuff like Zeno Clash and Dishonored hold up aesthetically because they aren’t going for realism. And I’d take Morrowind’s arthropod bodies back if I could have the moral complexity and ya know, themes back.

    • This is also why I prefer the San Andreas era GTA, the graphics are cartoony and the gameplay is fun as hell, the hyper realism style they moved to with GTA 5 is so boring and lifeless

      • @andros_rex@lemmy.world
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        It sounds silly, but San Andreas is really underrated. Like I know it’s considered one of the best games of all time, but the writing, the confrontation with racism and the police and the dynamics of gangs….

        I mean, most of the time it’s just fun to get 5 stars and enact your own revenge for the MOVE bombing. But that main storyline is so slept on.

  • Unpopular opinion but graphics do matter a little bit or at least more than the meme depicts. Dwarf Fortress was unplayable before they added actual graphics to it. I wish things moved between tiles fluidly like in Rimworld instead of it being a slideshow, but I can actually stand to play Dwarf Fortress now. If the only video games that existed were text-based, I’d probably never play video games again. Ps2 era graphics on the other hand, hell yeah. 90s era dos graphics are passable too. But PLEASE no text adventure games.

    • @PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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      Dwarf Fortress was unplayable before they added actual graphics to it.

      Supremely unbased, I still just see elf, dwarf, plump helmet…

    • I Cast Fist
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      Dwarf Fortress was unplayable before they added actual graphics to it

      OBJECTION!!

      The ASCII graphics have a charm of its own, even if it skews the horizontal-vertical distances due to characters being 8x12

    • Owl
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      try out Moonring. you might like it and its free

      • @tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
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        So you thought suggesting another addictive RPG was the correct response here??

        Seriously though, seems fun–I tried to go through one dungeon and died very quickly. Looks like it has a lot of depth though, so I’ll probably wait until I have a break to give it a real go. Looks a bit more accessible than Caves of Qud, so I might actually have a chance of getting somewhere.

        • Owl
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          its very unique for sure. good luck matey

          • @tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
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            Plus getting a third of the way into the game and if you didn’t take the junk mail at the beginning you have to restart.

            • @andros_rex@lemmy.world
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              Also - can’t you pick up tea at some point, when you need to have the item “no tea” to complete the game?

              I played the Apple II version. Old games were cruel. I’d get frustrated and rotate between Rivers of Light and The Return of Hercules.

          • @tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
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            The troll you can kill with the sword that glows in its presence, if I’m remembering my Zork correctly. I think it regenerates though, so maybe you have to cut the head off, and then it vanishes in a puff of vile smoke, or something like that.

            The smirking sneak thief can be dispatched the same way, although I think you can also use the axe you get after killing the troll. I think it wasn’t a sure thing though, like you can give the “stab thief with sword” command a few times and sometimes you win and other times you die.

            • @addie@feddit.uk
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              Although you should give the egg to the thief (he can open it and you can’t) and then kill him and retrieve it from his dead body later, otherwise you can’t win the game. Obviously.

  • @Binturong@lemmy.ca
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    Obviously these things are not mutually exclusive. Be a REAL gamer and demand both quality in gameplay and narrative, WITH excellent graphics. You don’t have to settle for less.

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    Just don’t understand people looking at screenshots and gameplay videos and commenting on how the shadows on some background detail look slightly better with the FSSMGXTR scaling setting turned to BBXT5 instead of HAMndX3.

    • I remember people discussing hardware and one of the best advice comments I’ve ever seen was:

      “Turn off that little FPS counter and just enjoy the damn game.

      People get so wrapped up in the hardware hobby they forget why they care in the first place, which would be fine if it wasn’t just fuelled by hardware marketing to make everyone else feel like they’re “missing out.”

      • @Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world
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        This is a nice thought. I love a nice looking game, but as long as it runs smooth and I can enjoy it IDGAF what setting is on max or medium, probably 9 out of 10 I wouldn’t be able to tell the difference anyways.

        The ray tracing is a great example for HW marketing bullshit, where you get nicer picture, but much slower framerates and requires crazy expensive hardware, but its all the buzz, everyone is obsessed with it. I mean Im not an expert but wtf is going on with the GPU prices its not normal.

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      And then they complain that their framerate is too low, causing flickering or lag apparently but it causes blurring instead which they do with motion blur effect already. 🤪

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      All of this is lost on me. Out of ancient habit, I keep my video streams throttled to 360p to ‘save bandwidth’ even though that hasn’t been a necessity for me for a decade or so.

      1080p60fps gives me motion sickness. I have no idea what 4k120fps would do to me, not that I have a capable monitor.