The best thing about Vim is that despite having all the features of a modern IDE it starts in 0.1s and you can start editing right away while the code data is loading asynchronously.
The worst thing about Vim is that… just kidding, there’s nothing bad about it.
Vscode I’m always like all right let’s code… Ah shit, the “what’s new” window has popped up again in the middle of my typing…
I never close my IDE or reboot. Problem solved.
My work Mac always bitches about it because they push updates.
Also had to update virtually every time I touched it and half the time those updates would break it so I had to reinstall. I didn’t use it on a daily basis or anything and it’s been a few years so maybe they fixed that but it’s why I don’t currently use it (along with the fact that it’s a microsoft product and I’m trying to stay away from all their shit as much as possible).
0.1s is way too long, you need to optimize your startup time. /s
There also IDEs that start instantly.
They don’t ship a whole browser though.
It’s a trade off for sure. I think the area editors like Vim totally win in is when you need to ssh into a server and edit something. I think it will always exist because of this use case
I can ssh in with Krusader and edit from Krusader’s GUI editor. I would probably still do it from the terminal because it’s faster, but it’s good to have more than one way to do things.
Is it bad that vscode is my favorite ssh client
People meme about “q!” but it is super helpful to have that extra step, because sometimes your fingers are moving faster than your brain is. That quick switch back-n-forth vim - gcc - ./a.out loop and my probably ADHD mean that vim saying, “hey, remember you haven’t saved this yet” is a godsend.
You are right about the best part about vim - you can work as fast you type.
Fly in fly trap:
:q!
I thought flies use
ZZfor the onomatopoeia
So
ZQcomes from the sound of a fly being swatted?
Recording @q
But if you accidentally typed
aori, press ESC first.
I like VSCodium, a vscode build without ms telemetry and such
sounds interesting enough to try, thanks! :D
it’s identical to vscode, except that a few extensions don’t work (notably, intellicode and the ms c/c++ extensions)
I remapped the power button of my computer to whatever that series of keypresses is that exits vim.
that series of keypresses is that exits vim
One of the great mysteries of the universe. However, I can confirm that my standard power button also exits vim.
That’s really smart. That way if I ever figure out the command to exit Vim, it’ll behave the same as my current method (powering off the PC.)
Emacs with evil mode
Ah! I loved using Doom EMacs for a while!
… but alas I came back to my initial love with Neovim 😜
So kind of off topic. Like 15 years ago emacs vs vim split in engineering was like 50-50. Now I see more like like 90-10 with vim winning. What happened? I always assumed they are equivalent more or less.
Emacs has scripts that can do almost anything. If you wanted to, you could pretty much replace your graphical desktop with Emacs and still do pretty much everything you do. vi is an editor.
There’s been a lot more evangelism about emacs lately.
Also the fact emacs has doom and spacemacs to ease new users in while vim drops you into
:and tells you to swim means that it’s easier for emacs to get new users.
Yeah, this is the best solution at the end of the day for most would be text wizards, emacs is beautiful, vim keybindings are beautiful.
lisp makes my brain relax
vim was such an unimaginable improvement over nano for doing stuff on linux servers. Having an in-shell-editor search-and-replace function alone is worth everything you have to do to learn vim.
And after I was comfortable around vim because of all the “training” on servers, I just switched to vim fulltime. No more GUI editor for me!
Nanos search and replace is
Alt+Ras far as I rememberHa, that would’ve helped me a few times. Good to know!
Still, I wouldn’t switch vim for nano ever again. nano is a good and easy start, but I think if you do more than just basic editing of a few files every now and then, learning vim is the way to go.
vim is pretty customizable, widespread and it has been around for quite some time after all. If you think you need it, somebody most likely already made it as a vim-plugin :)
helix btw
Helix is “it just works” but it actually does, without having to get lost in the (config) sauce.
It’ll be unstoppable once they finalize and ship the plugin system.
Edit: and I haven’t even mentioned the descriptions above commands, the command palette-like functionality in
<Space-?>, nor the tutor yet. It’s just so much more beginner-friendly.Yeah, so many things are so easy to configure with less moving parts, plus the window splitting is amazing.
When the pluggings system drops it’s going to be wild.
Vim and VScode are my favorite code editors but I admit that Vim is better :]
Knowing how to actually navigate vim is worth learning. Especially if you work in embedded systems where a lot of the time you’re on setup that is running barebones and likely just has vi as a text editor.
But I used VSCode for dev work with the VIM plugin.
HAHAHAHA I know the secret passcode to escape!
Incidentally, it’s ctrl+]. But I remap it to ‘kj’, and somehow have never typed ‘blackjack’ in all my years of using Vim!
I fucking love that 😆
I just use cntrl-z and then
kill %1Seems like overkill to escape from insert mode. Then you just have to open vi again!
So… we meet at last, Doctor Evil!
I used to know a developer who wrote all his code in Notepad. This was around 2005 or 6. We had just starting to replace our legacy ASP code with ASP.Net, which he was determined to do in Notepad. I was gone before I could see how that worked out.
You will be tempted to think that by learning how to use (neo)VIM your coding skills will magically improve tenfold.
It won’t
Wait really? Shit I’m like 1 year into learning vim. What editor should I switch to that will magically make me a good coder?
Jokes aside, all of my favorite IDEs have an option to use VIM key bindings so learning VIM makes it easier to learn other IDEs.
That alone was enough to convince me to learn VIM
neoEMACS evil-mode VS-org vim
Why not both?
When the debate revolved around Emacs vs. Vim, I used Spacemacs. It seem we moved on from that?
Is it now about VScode vs. (Neo)Vim?
Guess that means Vim won the Emacs vs. Vim debate then, when it got into the next round.
It was never really a competition - just some misguided people who liked Emacs
wait what?
It’s VIM features and key bindings that you can toggle on and off with a hotkey in VScode.
Very handy when you have a task that VIM is better at (for your workflow), like recording s macro and replaying 100 times.
Hmmm there seems to be a vscode in my vim.
This is alright if you only know the basics of vim and then learn further from within that environment. If you’re already an intermediate to advanced user, then the keybindings between VSCode and Vim tend to interfere with each other. You’ll have to relearn how to do it.
Thats why I bind toggling them to a hotkey. One or the other at a time, never both.
Do you mean Neovim?
Surely you aren’t comparing a flat text editor to an IDE that has language server support, debuggers and refactoring tools?
Vim and VS Code are both text editors that can become IDEs with plugins. You can use vim with language servers if you want, as there are plugins for it.
Thanks, I wasn’t aware of that!
Makes sense though. Vim plugins exist so anything is possible. Neovim having native support for LSP and DAP makes it a lot easier though.
I only use butterfly flaps that move magnetic needles next to my HDD.
Like a real programmer would.
I do the same with moths as they are more active at night
You need a bigger lämp brøther!
Wouldn’t the one that ops you into telemetry be the trap?
vscodium slightly better than vscode tho.
honestly all ide’s are rubbish - especially electron ones. for a gui editor, i’ve just gone back to sublime text and have never been happier.
Tbf codium is a very well optimized electron app. Don’t believe me? Try discord
very well optimized electron app
It’s like a very light Elephant
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The big one (imo) is extensions. Outside of the vscode/atom/vim/emacs ecosystems sublime has probably the largest library of extensions, and they’re readily installable. So if you want an extensible text editor that’s not based around electron or the terminal it’s the obvious answer.
Atom? People still use atom?
Atom is dead, the successor is called Pulsar
Technically the successor is called VSCode and the original authors are working on Zed.
Zed for lightweight, Kate for regular text and the Jetbrains suite for when I want something that uses all of my RAM, but has a lot of niceties.
The only time I open up vscodium is when I want to conveniently edit files in a docker container that are part of the image rather than mapped from my filesystem
Is there a stable way to use closed extensions (like the MS Python one) with vscodium by now? I’d love to get away from MS’ grasp, but it’s much harder if I’ll be missing out on language integrations.
Is there a stable way to use closed (edit: intentionally DRM-ed) extensions (like the MS Python one) with vscodium by now?
Yes. Use this config edit.. Everything (edit: not written by assholes) works fine.
Edit: Damn. PyLance’s developers are up to some bullshit. I would take a hard look at who I’m accepting free candy from, if I used it.
Hm, people in the GitHub issue are still complaining that it doesn’t work. Does it work fine for you?
I’ve never had any issues with any VSCode plugin failing in VSCodium.
But I’m not a PyLance user.
Your experience with other extensions sadly doesn’t mean much for Pylance. It specifically has DRM implemented to prevent vscodium from loading it, just like some other MS extensions. That’s why I’m asking.
