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Please note that the official title of the article is:
Yevgeny Prigozhin: Wagner chief presumed dead after Russia plane crash.
Decided not to delete this post due to the many comments and discussions.
The whole thing is sus:
- Prigozhin stages a march onto Moscow
- Putin runs away to St Petersburg, where a couple vans full of allegedly Prigozhin’s money get found, so he just stops short of Moscow and turns around
- Prigozhin runs away to Belarus, Wagner to split between “core” in Belarus and the rest getting incorporated into Russia’s military
- Russia blocks food export from Ukraine, holds a conference with African countries where it promises to send food
- Niger sees a military coup, asks for Wagner help, Russia agrees, Prigozhin releases video of himself in Africa
…just a couple days later…
- Prigozhin in a private plane over Russia, north of Moscow, in route to St Petersburg, crashes and dies along with other Wagner leadership
…wait, what? How? Why? Wasn’t he just in Africa, and not welcome in Russia?
You know you can rename posts with clickbait titles right? Maybe just ask the user to rename and kick or ban him if he does not comply.
I did message him, bot no response as of yet.
While the article is named that, his death has been confirmed by the Russian government and afaik the genetic samples are being analysed
As of this moment, there is no credible news source that confirms with 100% certainty that he’s dead. It’s likely, but not confirmed.
When making claims like this, always provide your source.
Quite literally the FAVT(FAVT.gov.ru) telegram channel https://t.me/favt_ru/1278. They have the channel linked on the website😐
FAVT(FAVT .gov.ru ) telegram channel
So… any credible sources?
“🤓”
Anyway, then what’s more credible than an official source who’s been literally fearing this old smart ass man? Make a realistic example
I think you might could a word… I’m really not sure what you mean. 🤨
What’s more credible than an official source that happens to hate and fear prigozhin
Regardless, the article being pointed to makes a weaker claim than the Lemmy title. Bad practice in general, even if it’s known from other sources.
Right after the title the FAVT post I linked above is being mentioned.
Wow, I’ve been browsing Twitter, Reddit and Lemmy for the past few hours. I’m surprised to see such breaking news first in Lemmy instead of Twitter or Reddit.
Awesome! Hope the Fidiverse keeps on growing to become bigger than Reddit and Twitter.
Look at me
Lemmy is the frontpage of the internet now
Reddit hot sorts more by popular, so things take a long time to rise up.
Lemmy hot seems to be (too much) biased to new. Can be a bad thing because it looks like things don’t get popular. They do buy you don’t see it by hot, you see it by top 6 hour.
Early 2010s Reddit was so addicting, if there was something in the world it was on the front page in 15 minutes. I remember being excited to check on Reddit after waking up to see that was the event of the day.
After 2016 the algo was screwed up and it became a cesspool of reposts and news were late to show up.
I think the algorithm for Lemmy’s hot sorting is just based on interactions within time unit. The newer the post, the more valuable an upvote is.
Lemmy “hot” seems to function a lot like reddit’s “rising”
The one thing current Reddit seems to do right is give smaller subreddits a chance to show up on Hot. Lemmy tends to be a little too simple, and the frontpage gets dominated by the one or two big groups.
Yeah, I’m pretty happy with the sorting algorithm in general for the way content gets presented, but some weighting to better include smaller communities would be great. Lemmy is still struggling with getting a critical mass in users to support niche interests, and a better post sorting could help a bit at least.
Yesterday i switched to active for a while, because hot was almost identical to new.
On Reddit you want to sort by “Rising” for this sort of breaking news stuff.
Now I learn this, 2 months after tossing that platform in the bin.
After years of wondering where the hell the breaking news went…
No problem, let’s have Hot 1 and Hot 2!
Hot 1 is Hot
Hot 2 is Top 6 hours
At least how I use it.
We’re missing “most comments in the last <time>”</time>
I think it’s only a matter of time. The enshitification of reddit is guaranteed, it’s really inevitable and it’s going to keep getting worse. Long live the Fediverse!
The Future is Federated.
old man
I saw it first on YouTube and got really mad about that
Who would have expected this? Surprised pikachu
But the only one who opposed Putin (with any military power) being dead isn’t necessary a good thing (imho)
Yeah, but he was stripped of all of his power. Wagner group is being rolled into the state military. The opportunity for Wagner to push back and or give Putin the boot has passed.
And, this dude was also an evil corrupt piece of shit. If he overthrew Putin, Russia would’ve still been an authoritarian disinformation state.
Wagners are straight up fleeing into neighboring countries and Africa. They must have read the history books about what happens when one warlord assimilates another’s forces (they kill them quietly and easily now that they’re disarmed).
i don’t think, russia and historical knowledge can come together
If he overthrew Putin, Russia would’ve still been an authoritarian disinformation state.
He would at least cause a schism between the putin fanatics and everyone else.
But the only one who opposed Putin (with any military power) being dead isn’t necessary a good thing (imho)
Replacing one dictator with another who has the support of something like the Wagner group would not have been good for anyone but the Wagner group.
There would be no clean replacement. It would get very bloody and chaotic. Not a bad hypothetical scenario. But that ship has sailed when Prihozhin surrendered (he didn’t stand much of a chance anyway).
If we could avoid another “oops, all Taliban” outcome though, that would be grand.
The most surprising thing here is that nine people were willing to get on a plane with Prigozhin. That’s arguably much closer to actual suicide than any of the convenient window deaths that keep happening.
Somehow I always thought they would poison him. More personal. But if he brought his own water, I suppose this saves everybody some time.
It’s not too late for them to identify the body by the “Polonium-210 tracer” he got during check-in.
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I’m pretty sure Ukraine still opposes Putin so at least we got that.
Lotta windows in airplanes.
Tragically the plane crashed into a surface to air missile.
Like, fucking literally.
“Crash” my ass, BBC, you say it got shot down in the article, how is that not a more accurate and sensational headline?
“Prigozhin got blown the fuck up, like everyone knew he would the moment he pussed out, the Nazi coward.”
Technically, they just say that a Wagner linked Telegram channel said it got shot down. They’re probably waiting for better proof/additional sources before they take the full step of saying it was shot down themselves (at which point I think it’d get added to the headline).
He needed to take Moscow, only chance he had to survive.
Because the only source for that (at present) is the Wagner Group, who have a (dead) dog in the fight and are not bastions of truth. NYT will be trying to confirm it before saying so.
Do they have a dog in this? Last I heard they were getting executed in the field if they showed support for the coup.
So he fell out of a window created by a surface to air missile.
Totally an accident of course
I didn’t know airplanes couldn’t handle their polonium.
I’m honestly surprised that he lasted this long
I feel like when the attempted coup fizzled out there was a Russia expert who predicted he’s be dead within 90 days. Sounds like that guy was right.
Honestly didn’t need to be a expert on Russia to predict that
No kidding, literally everyone figured he’d be dead soon. Not sure how he didn’t realize that.
“Person vaguely aware of how Russia works predicts Prigozhin will be dead in 90 days”. That headline doesn’t have quite the same ring to it.
Weirdly enough, it’s exactly two months between the mutiny and his death. Interestingly enough, the invasion started on 24th as well. Weird.
Damn I was hoping he would be able to cause more chaos inside Russia before Putin had him killed.
That window of opportunity closed. Wagner got folded into the state military.
All that means is that Wagner has infiltrated the Russian military… while pooty might get lucky and get a few knuckleheads, trust and believe the hardcore of the hardcore have gone to ground and are dead set on putting Vlad’s head on a pike
You sly dog lol
The guy wasn’t stupid. He knew going against Putin meant death if he failed. At some point during his attempted coup, he realised it wasn’t going to work and was faced with a choice: die now, or “back down” to scheme his way out of an almost certain death later. Turns out he couldn’t. ¯\_༼ •́ ͜ʖ •̀ ༽_/¯ Oh well, nothing of value was lost.
I have nothing to add to your comment other than the fact that your text person clearly has a large nose and I think that’s a stylistic choice and I appreciate that as someone who also has a large nose.
Oh, and fuck Putin.
I also don’t have anything to add other than that I really appreciate comments who pay respects to details of other comments. I don’t know, just makes me happy, so thank you for that!
Oh, and fuck this fucking asshole named Putin, may he die a painful and slow death.
I’m not sure he couldn’t have done it if he’d kept driving into Moscow. The defenses of the city were just in shambles. Almost as bad as Denmark in 1940.
However, having tucked tail he should have known better than to come back.
Now there are rumors that Wagner would stage a second coup attempt if the deaths were confirmed (which they are now).
That would be a complete suicide mission now. 2500%.
Still, interesting times.
At some point during his attempted coup, he realised it wasn’t going to work
When was that, exactly? Putin fled, reserve forces were standing by and not fighting Wagner, and he was a day out from an undefended Moscow. Worst case scenario was a protracted civil war, but he still would’ve lived longer than this.
Honestly, none of this makes sense. The fact that he aborted in the first place makes the idea that he was conspiring with Putin the whole time to flush out disloyal elements within the Russian armed forces seem credible… but then why kill him after? I’m not ruling out the possibility that either this was a genuine accident, or it was another false flag and he and his second in command just faked their own deaths.
Couldn’t he go hide in like Central America or something? Though I suppose Russian intelligence would still find him and get to him.
Maybe he could hide on the South Pole of the moon.
Who’s to say he didn’t?
Pretty sure Russians are the only ones investigating, and we all know how much they can be trusted.
reportedly he was going back from some african country that day. he also could stay in belarus, but he chose to go back to moscow
One of the cardinal rules of power struggles is “If you’re gonna shoot for the king, don’t miss.”
Man didn’t even miss, he just got scared halfway through
From what I gather, he backed down because all his top men’s families were being threatened. Prigozhin’s family was kept safe, of course, but I don’t think they expected Russia to threaten the families of those further down the ladder.
It was just a prank, bro!
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Furthermore,
Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies
- Machiavelli, the Prince
Not to call out Putin’s Russia for being amateur hour, but the Prince is probably the first thing to read for an aspiring dictator.
Wait, I’m listening to The Prince in audiobook form. Does that mean I’m an aspiring dictator?
Well, if you are, there might be a job opening in Russia for you soon!
“When you play the game of thrones, you win, or you die. There is no middle ground.”
When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.
I wonder if there is a correlation between drop height and importance of the persons he’s killing.
Oh that’s why I fell over my kids’ toys. I’m unimportant but it WAS Putin!
Great, so we already have two data points now!
time to interpolate
EXPONENTIAL
Insert “I like to extrapolate” meme here
would that mean your child is a Russian spy?
Not spy necessarily, but ruthless tool of the Russian system.
it’s cause your kids ain’t putin their toys away
From time to time people like to try to bring levity and light to their lives by telling jokes. These jokes can make people smile or laugh and are generally considered as a good thing to make peoples lives better and more bearable.
I hope that helps.
yes, i know, i was doing that. i know how to spell “putting.”
omfglol, do I have egg on my face now
I thought you were autistic and my reply was indeed an attempt at spelling it out for a fellow autiste
fair enough lol no worries
Here’s hoping he had a dead man’s switch that releases tons of kompromat.
Well, Navalny didn’t fall, but Putin attemped to poison him
He didn’t want to birth a martyr
World’s most expected accident victim.
Epstein levels of expectation.
Thank you for flying Prigozihn Airlines. We know you have a choice in airline, and today you chose the wrong one.
He should have gone all the way when he started the mutiny against Putin. He would be dead either way but at least he had the chance to take Hitler’s disciple with him to hell.
Somehow I doubt Russia would have been better off with Prighozhin in charge. I mean he was the one who did Putins dirty work for him.
Their MO is to threaten family members, threaten subordinates family members, etc.
I’m so shocked right now. He didn’t fall out of a window?
I mean it’s pretty similar to a really high window
They are getting more creative…
The plane crashed after jumping out of a window.
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Everyone was seated next to a window
Prigozhin allegedly had a massive influence on 2016 USA elections with his troll farms.
I don’t think Kremlin gave up on the 2024 elections, it’s just now they have Musk.
Why would Musk work for the Kremlin
Because they would make him feel important. Because they would make him feel cool and nonconformist. He would feel like he’s really making decisions and choosing a path. He would feel in control and ontologically whole. Incidentally these are the same blinding motivations which guide the anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers, anti-education anti-healthcare, anti-student loan forgiveness, anti-free school lunch, anti-gun control, anti-immigration, anti-affirmative action, anti-environmental protection, anti-democracy crowd.
The problem with billionaires is the same as those who worship them, which I believe is what endears the latter to the former. They have a very profound hole in their self worth. If you’re a billionaire you probably got to be one by compulsively looking for something to fill that hole, or alternatively you inherited your wealth from someone who has. If you don’t recognize your worth, you don’t recognize your power. If you don’t recognize you power you feel powerless. If you feel powerless, your desperation to control makes you either easy to manipulate or antisocial, or both.
It’s straight out of the Kanye playbook. Just do contrarian things to stay relevant.
Yep Putin and Musk are clearly trying to weaponize the stupidity of a little less than half our nation. If Republicans fail to win, Russia and Putin’s special snowflake operation will fail.
Plane must have accidentally ran into a surface-to-air missile. Y’know, as you do.
I heard the plane had marital issues and gambling debt, no surprise it tried to end things on its own. Its unfortunate all the passengers were innocent victims and in no way targeted. /s
I think we all saw this coming.
Not me, I thought he was going to be overtaken with remorse and bludgeon himself to death from behind in a tragic suicide.
After shooting himself in the back of the head twice, then jumping out the window.
Wtf was he thinking, flying back into Russia after being given an out? 😂
did he ever get out of Russia though?
Wasn’t he in Belarus recently, threatening to take a large contingent of the Wagner group to “sightsee” in Poland?
he was coming back from africa that day, day before he released a video yelling about something in sahel
before that, after mutiny he was effectively exiled to belarus
The exile was a lie. He constantly flew back and forth, and even attended a summit hosted by Putin.
Where else could he be? The West wouldn’t let him cross, while any ally of Russia would cooperate with Putin. Not that it even has to be an ally after all the assassinations in Europe.
He has more than enough money to escape to south america and never be heard from again.
South American countries are on good terms with Putin, being some of the few that let any Russian enter visa-free. Taking him out would be almost as easy in those countries.
South America is a big place with lots of nooks and crannies and different cultures to hide in and blend with.
I’m sure someone as wealthy as Prigo could’ve lived a very modest lifestyle without ever having to work again and staying incognito for the rest of his days in South America. If South America is really too dangerous (it isn’t) then he also has Asia. There are so many options for rich people it’s insane.
