I don’t get the rage that some of these comments have from seeing this meme.
It doesn’t say that anyone actually did or said anything, just that their expression dropped after seeing an infant board a plane.
People are allowed to be disappointed. I mean, I don’t think that most parents actually love hearing screaming and/or crying either. Is a (probably) brief facial expression seriously the same as hating all children, or wishing for them to dissapear to some of you guys? Jeez Louise.
I mean, normally I wouldn’t give a hoot either way. Kids on the plane, no kids on the plane, whatever. If I had a migraine that day though, yeah, I wouldn’t be thrilled. I wouldn’t be upset at anyone for the noise in the slightest, but I also wouldn’t be joyful about it.
Are we certain that that’s the actual contect of the picture, or did someone just say it was? Is this the accurate, OG text on the picture? Did any one of those people actually say or do anything beyond a facial expression when seeing very small children board the plane?
Some of you guys need to take a deep breath and just relax. I’m referring to both extremes with this.
It’s because they themselves have kids lol
and some people in these comments seem to fail to make the distinction between being childfree and an antinatalist
For real. Ill never understand when people are like “having children is the best thing you can do”. Like hell nah!
Makes me think that a lot of these people are pissed off that those who can’t afford or just don’t give a shit about being sentenced to parenthood for life won’t have anyone to exploit when their kids grow up. Also misery loves company. People get really angry when they realize their life didn’t have to end that way and that they actually had a choice so to validate their mistakes they shame and try to push others who didn’t into the same so they can say “there, you see? There really isn’t any other choice”
Hard disagree. Kill all the children!
If pets can travel in the cargo hold hopped up on benzos and ketamine, why can’t babies? Or me?
I’m up for it. Are the benzos included int he air fare?
Be my guest
Maybe it’s different in the USA, but I’ve travelled a lot and don’t think I ever remember a long haul flight without multiple babies and young children. It’s just a fact of travelling.
I recently did a 16hr flight solo and the other 3 seats in my row of 4 were parents and a toddler.
That’s just part of flying and you should plan for it (noise cancelling headphones, sleeping tablets, ear plugs).
How do you get the sleeping tablets in the babies without the parents noticing?
European flights are full of kids. It’s just the “child free” movement are very vocal and feel extremely entitled.
Yeah, they kinda forget what they were.
kids crying/screaming on public transport/etc rarely bothers me. impatient parents hissing at them to shut up and sit down does, however… i get it, they’re tired, being a parent is hard, but still.
a kid cries on the tram? i keep reading, barely even notice
a parent goes off on their kid? rips me right out of the book and makes me take notice
We’ve flown a lot in the US with our now 2 year old to visit family, and have never had anyone say anything to us on a flight in a negative way. We’ve had a lot of people tell us how great our son did even if he got a little fussy here and there. We’ve flown first class with him several times and no issues.
I’d say we’re lucky that he is a little rockstar and handles it very well, but it is definitely stressful for us but just part of what we have to do sometimes to see family. I feel terrible for people that have to do longer haul flights with smaller kids though, 2-3 hours is manageable but if we had family overseas we would probably fork over the cash to fly people to us rather than put him on a plane for that long. For our sake more than his lol.
How anybody flies without noise-canceling headphones these days is beyond me.
I just had a 9 hour flight where both bathrooms were plugged and aisles were completely covered in puke because this kid got so sick, and refused to throw up into a bag. Every time he got sick he ran from his mom and threw up somewhere else on the plane
Left flight with puke on my backpack and shoes. Whole back of the plane was vomiting throughout the flight due to the smell. Nobody could use the bathrooms for the last 3 hours of the flight
My noise cancelling headphones were not effective
Dude. How did the fucking marshals not step in? Allowing anyone, child or not, to repeatedly spread bio hazard on other passengers is not ok. One time? Fine, kids are gross and things happen. Repeatedly? That kid is a terrorist.
Canada to Germany flight. Not much can be done while you are flying over Greenland.
The kid was mentally ill. I blame the mother. She tried to wash a blanket or something in the sink, clogging the entire plane. People were pissing into bottles
Surprised this didn’t make the news really. It barely sounds like a true story
Believe it or not but not everyone is from the US. Flight marshals are mainly a US thing
Recalibrate your irony sensors.
Should have gotten Bose.
Literal nightmare fuel
Yeah I’ve always had pre flight anxiety, all the “what ifs” going through my head
I actually didn’t think it could ever be so bad. Forever scared to fly ever again…
Really though this is probably the worst experience you’ll ever have on a plane.
Lol I’d have paid good money to see that.
Yeah I know it barely even sounds like a true story, but it really happened
Vancouver to Frankfurt via condor, Aug 3.
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I’m taller than average so it already sucks but last year I had three flights IN A ROW where I got placed behind somebody who was obsessed with leaning back in their seat. Like they’d lean back as much as the seat would let them which was already painful but then they’d try and push it more and more and jump back into the seat which was only hurting my knees more. One was 6 hours and I literally could not sleep 1 second because of the pain. three DIFFERENT people did this! Noise cancelling headphones did not help.
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Im gagging just thinking about it. Ok, i will forever bring a facemask plus aromatic salts with me everytime i do an intercontinental flight!
In business class, no less. Like come in you rich dorks, you have no excuse to be prepared for this shit.
noise-cancelling headphones don’t help with crying babies unfortunately, just hums & buzzes like the engines, HVAC system, etc.
I kind of assume people are listening to music or something with the headphones on. That does a good enough job to drown out all sounds for me. If you just put on noise-canceling headphones, turn them on, then don’t play anything… yeah… not going to be super effective at filtering out crying babies.
They’re good at cancelling out deep grumbling noises but purposely let through high tones so users can hear fire / safety alarms ringing. Unfortunately baby’s screaming is more similar to the latter and cuts right through to your ears
It still takes the edge off… I have two little sirens myself.
Overpriced. And then you need them for every member of the family :)
And they also might not work well enough
Or just suck it up and be and adult instead of complaining about literal babies 24/7. Go back to r/childfree
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TIL about the term “Parent”.
OP, 2023.
Sidenote: if you’re pretending shit for internet points, at least try for 10 seconds to put yourself in the shoes of the person you’re pretending to be…
labor theory of value but it’s for kids: how hard you worked during sex = the value of the child
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Rothbard moment
Yes, I traded an iPod for them
Self reporting here.
Yeah, I can’t even begin to address how much is wrong with that.
I know, right? Why would you willingly keep a child? Just put it away or put it down.
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This is one of those things I see people complain about everyone complaining. Like vegans or CrossFit people. I’ve met far more people complaining about complaints than actual incidents.
Most of us get it. It’s kids. I’ve seen obviously not emotional support animals brought in by asshats. Kids aren’t my concern.
Kids these days (Yes, I said that unironically) can’t be assed to deal with any amount of discomfort. They’ve had a childhood of screens put in front of them so they don’t have to deal with boredom and other shit that just ruins a person’s ability to operate in society.
Grow the fuck up and deal with it.
EDIT: So apparently people are reading this like I’m talking about the crying babies. I’m talking about the ridiculous, pseudo-child-free adults who can’t believe a baby might have trouble while flying and god forbid they should hear it cry.
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They’re just supposed to grow up and deal with that?
Literally yes. I’m sure the process might be different for each person, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask that people learn to deal with the world around them instead of expecting the world to bend to their complaints at every discomfort. It won’t.
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I am putting it on the adults complaining about crying kids on planes or whatever other little thing that gets under their skin.
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Not long ago I heard someone on the radio get very angry over kids playing ball hockey on their own street and in the same breath will complain that kids don’t go outside enough so yes I 100% agree with you people expect the world to bend for them when it’s inconvenient for them they are less of an adult then these kids crying on a plane smh
Your aren’t tlaking about people. You are talking about children.
kids are people, but yeah, point stands
FYI the younger ones are screaming because of pain from the inner ear air pressure changes that they don’t know how to prevent.
JFC are people really understanding my take as blaming the fucking babies? The whole “kids these days” was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the adults in the plane complaining about the babies.
nah, lad, people are most likely understanding exactly what ya meant and they’re downvoting because of that. also the ‘pseudo-childfree’ mention might also be bothersome to some, what with it suggesting said lifestyle might be just a phase and thus claiming to have the absolute truth and such things. pretty sure parents would downvote a childfree person for suggesting a pseudo-parent notion.
but I’m 2 ales and a barleywine in already, so YMMV
this thread is entertaining though, for what it’s worth. I just want to see the fuckcarspeople get involved here as well, 'cause it’s getting kind of repetitive
why isn’t there a fuckplanes community, I wonder? I mean they still use leaded fuel and are probably making us all stupider and more violent and stuff
Maybe go start c/fuck_everything?
also the ‘pseudo-childfree’ mention might also be bothersome to some, what with it suggesting said lifestyle might be just a phase
That was not my intention. I don’t consider it a phase and I don’t think everyone needs to be a parent. I just got a very c\fuck_kids vibe from the whole thing. I’m sure I could have said it better, but… eh.
kids these days can’t be assed to deal with any amount of discomfort.🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓 🤓
Your lack of self awareness is astounding.
I’m thankful that my kids fly well, and always have. We flew with them at ~15 months with no issues.
I’ve always heard the complaints about screaming infants and whatnot…but I’ve never seen it. Granted, I don’t fly too often (and less so more recently), but I’ve never had the “classic” kid crying through the entire flight. It just doesn’t happen as often as people think. I’m sure when it does happen that it’s pretty f’n annoying, though.
FYI, emotional support animals aren’t protected on flights any more than other animals on flights, meaning they have to stay in a crate/kennel.
Only service animals can be outside of the carrier and there’s extra paperwork associated with that.
I don’t think hours of noise canceling headphones are a realistic solution for everyone, like people with autism or sensitive ears.
What we should have is a “children’s section” in the back of the plane. If your party only contains adults, then you can only book in the adult section until it’s filled, and same with parties that have kids. Parents don’t want to disrupt everyone, but imagine this on a longer bus or train ride!
I DROVE across Canada rather than dare take a plane with a possibility of screaming and kicking children. Sensory issues are a bitch.
When I bring my whole family somewhere I almost always book the farthest back on the plane I can. There doesn’t have to be specific sections… just people with common courtesy.
but one thing I’m noticing as a common theme in these threads is that there’s an innate blame on the children/parents. Kids oftentimes CANNOT pop their ears due to how narrow their Eustachian tubes are. https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/flying-ears.html There can be cases where the baby’s ears actually tear if the Eustachian tubes are blocked due to a cold or something of that nature.
The better answer is to just educate them in a friendly manner. If you do it tactfully then maybe junior will simmer down and everyone can move on without this passive aggressiveness we see in the photo. Giving the kid a bottle (if they’re that young) is often all that needs to happen to work the tubes open a little bit to relieve the pain.
Now… if you’re a parent… and have a colicky little one… skip the plane if you can. You know your kid. If they’re not going to take to the plane well, then you’re just being a dick to everyone around you.
So in other words: putting a sick young child on a plane is a health and safety risk for the child
Anecdotally my spouse and I know this; our kids are just extremely energetic. We aren’t simply uneducated on how ears work, and getting unsolicited tips from childless people while already busy with our kids is just another stressor.
Call me a dick if you want, but sometimes flying noisily is the only practical option. No we’re not going to drive cross country to grandma’s funeral.
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Ok, then replace “funeral” with any family function you need to attend. Should your kids miss school on Friday and Monday to drive to and from a weekend wedding?
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I don’t think you’ll find many parents willing to make that sacrifice for courtesy.
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It’s already parents vs childfree in this thread, and I have to admit it’s a bit entertaining, but do we really want to bring the fuckcars people into this as well?
We aren’t simply uneducated on how ears work, and getting unsolicited tips from childless people while already busy with our kids is just another stressor.
Well… considering I have 2 kids. You can put your bullshit “tips from childless people” garbage argument away. The source of the information is irrelevant if the information is true regardless.
Regardless that doesn’t negate the overall “common courtesy” theme of my post.
I apologize if my reply came across as an attack against you personally. I thought you were suggesting that anyone reading your post (not just you) should go up to stressed out parents and explain how ears work.
While other parents do sometimes chime in with unsolicited tips during stressful situations, they seem to (usually) be more aware of whether or not their actual information is relevant, and not just a distraction.
Imagine being a childless person in a children’ section. No one should have this kind of pain for hours
Ok, I’m imagining I’m a person who doesn’t care and just needs to get on the next flight. I would have a choice that I don’t have right now.
I see your point, maybe the first company creates your idea should also have a red colored pop up with big puntos that says every time a seat is selected if that one is in a children’s section and leave the judgement to the person who pays for the flight.
Yep, during booking they should only show the back rows available if you’re traveling with children of certain age. It should be simple, I think.
Repulsion at the thought of sharing space with the most vulnerable humans literally unable to communicate or control their emotions is a sign of a deeply sick society
Them being unable to control it doesnt make them less annoying.
Thank you for saying it. Its frustrating how common revulsion towards children is.
There’s also a complete contradiction in how these people see children. Children are not an individual issue, as if the only input they get is from their caretakers. They are moulded and shaped by society like everyone else, and a society that teaches them that being a normal kid is wrong because it inconveniences adults actively harms everyone. So by even thinking children can behave in ways they physically can’t – their brain isn’t even developed for Christ’s sake – by making the individual choice to belittle or shame children for being kids, these individuals actively make society worse, thereby continuing the cycle of sickness.
I’d bet in many cases that people who resent children existing are actually resentful they weren’t allowed to be children.
People complain about science denial a lot but then those same people will act like young children are capable of active malice when its scientific consensus among developmental psychologists that they are not. I’ve had this argument so many times.
They do make a lot of noise and shit in their pants.
Yes that is developmentally normal behaviour
Lots of things are normal that I’d rather not spend extended periods of time in a small space with.
Why not make an airline for people with kids and then they could deck the inside of the plane out to make it fun for kids complete with a flying tube sized playground, maybe a mini arcade, and definitely a ball pit. The pilots could even be those creepy ass animatronic creatures from Chuck-E-Cheese.
That would make people happy which is the opposite of what the airline industry wants to have happen.
Or it’s simply not economically viable to use half of the airplane as a playground, because parents will never be willing to spend 2x the amount on flight tickets because they’re perpetually broke
Am a parent, I concur, am broke.
Care to elaborate? Genuinely curious
“Five hours at freddys plane” revealed.
They could also make every second row smaller child’s seats and put them closer together to fit more people and children in the plane. Bonus: the parents can use the top of the kiddie seats as a footrest.
Carry ons should be put in the overhead bin or tuck under your seat.
If you carry your baby onto the plane, be kind to your fellow passengers and put it in the bin.
Okay, I’m gonna bite the bullet and say it. This is disheartening. I’m not one to clutch pearls, but come on. Would you say this about anyone else? Dogs? Cats? Anything at all? Do you understand how fucked up it is? I just don’t get it. It was the same in Reddit, and it’s fucking same in here. Why do you hate children? You don’t wanna have them, that’s fine. Why would you say these things?
Maybe you’re joking. Even after assuming that you are, this is in poor taste and a fucked up thing to say.
Maybe you’re joking
Gee, you think?
Finish that line, buddy.
I’m not your buddy, pal, and I don’t appreciate the accusation.
I’m not your pal, guy
Im not your guy, amigo
Yeah, I agree with you on that one.
Would you say this about anyone else? Dogs? Cats? Anything at all?
What an odd comparison, given that pets are crated and put in (a warm/pressurized part of) the cargo bay. Is that better then hiding under a seat or the overhead bin? It seems about the same to me.
U don’t hate children but what i hate is that one child with shitty parents will ruin the entire flight for everyone else.
It’s usually the air pressure causing the kid some pain from mild barotrauma / airplane ear. They can’t help it. No amount of good or bad parenting changes the pressure differential in the inner ear.
As a parent of two boys, i feel that much of the annoyance of no-children-having people is due to parents not putting boundaries for children in place.
Children scream because of attention. It means they are not getting it.
Start walking around with the kid to calm it down. Its your job as a parent. You cannot stay seated and act like “what are you gonna do? They are children ! They scream!”
No. You are a bad parent for letting them just scream.
Having said that, babies sometimes just scream without reason. Perhaps, and I mean this, if you have a baby that is prone to doing this, do not travel in confined spaces, or dine at restaurants until that phase of screaming is over.
You can train dogs and cats to be quiet and sit still. Not all of them will be happy doing it for a long plane ride, but you can do it. Babies on the other hand? Babies don’t give a fuck.
Hungry?
Scream.
Tired?
Scream.
Happy?
Scream.
Mad?
Scream
You can do everything right and the baby will still scream.
See, I have this speculation that early humans were fucking dumb, had no object permanence, couldn’t keep track of their kids, and generally pretended they didn’t exist unless they were being annoying. So their babies had to fucking scream as loud as a firetruck for their parents to not lose them.
That’s the other thing too. The sound of a crying baby will drive anyone who doesn’t have antisocial personality disorder or has been driven deaf by the wonders of childcare completely insane. Why? Because while the sheer volume of a baby’s scream might not be as loud as a barking dog on an objective decibel scale, but when it comes to perceptual decibel levels, babies are loud. Our hearing sensitivity varies based on pitch. The higher the pitch, the more sensitive our ears are. On top of that, our brains are hardwired to have a reaction to a screaming baby, which can manifest itself as irritation, annoyance, frustration, and other negative emotions, because our primitive monkey brains are screeching, “WHY WON’T YOU TAKE CARE OF BABY!?” but we can’t do anything because it’s not our baby.
That’s why people like to make jokes about dead babies, infant abuse, etc. Because babies are annoying as hell and literally everything they do is designed to make sure we know they’re there at all times.
Edit: AND ONE MORE THING, have you ever wondered how a parent can love their baby when it’s quiet but hate it when it’s awake? Yeah, that’s almost certainly a result of primitive humans trying to take advantage of the fact that the annoying poop demon was finally quiet and wasn’t ear-fucking their monkey brain into guilt-tripping them anymore, so that they could ditch their babies when they were sleeping. So you can probably thank the negligent, sociopathic protohumans for babies being annoying as shit.
To be honest you can train your baby to be quiet, it just takes like 12 years
Considering some babies i know, it’s still failure after 50+ years…
I love this theory that early (and current) humans were so incompetently stupid that we evolved to fucking scream all the time just so they don’t walk away and forget us.
Considering how many kids get left in locked cars in the summer, as well as no other species of animal has annoying ass babies I have to canonize this as the Truth.
Consider this as well: if you’re a primitive human and you have to take your baby somewhere, you’re going to be praying to whatever deity(s) you believe are watching over you that your baby understands the severity of the situation and doesn’t start screaming in the middle of the jungle. 'cause if it does, every predator in a 5 mile radius is going to hear your baby screaming and dinner bells will start going off in their heads. Our only major survival traits are our near-infinite stamina (if properly trained) and ability to magically fuse or deform useless objects into something useful. Additionally, the usefulness of both of those traits diminishes with the size of the group as a single human with a spear is far less likely to survive a tiger attack than two humans with spears. To put it another way, your baby will actively alert predators that you’re burdened with its existence and that you could be free food so that you get removed from the gene pool if you’re stupid or unlucky enough to travel alone.
Babies evolved to cry all the time because their parents had this habit of making the species that just looked at the baby in a weird way go extinct.
Maybe you’re joking. Even after assuming that you are, this is in poor taste and a fucked up thing to say.
Good. Making Anthony Jeselnik proud.
and not on kbin
Everyone acting like they weren’t a kid themselves at some point in life. Get over yourself and stfu.
I was never a kid on a plane no. My parents knew how awful it is to bring small kids on flights.
Give me one single person on this post that is “acting like they weren’t a kid themselves at some point in life”.
Just one.
Or are you fighting with ghosts?
Daddict moment
I really feel like society has advanced to whre headphones or ear plugs are a thing you should be able to expect to provide for your self like sunscreen. Maybe you don’t need it or want it for every mission. However if you are on a mission where it would have benefitted you to have that’s on you for lacking.
“DAE anyone else hate crotch nuggets. Breeders amirite. Us epic ledditors would never have children because we maintain our virginity.”
Shut up already. It’s a baby. when your brain develops fully you’ll have enough empathy to stop constantly whining about them.
Do you feel personally attacked because you are a baby?
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Yeah ok I’ll just fucking have my kids put down at the vet before I go on holiday! Get a fucking grip!
Don’t be overdramatic. You’re allowed to travel but you’ve gotta accept that no one’s happy to see you.
The only people I’m not happy to see are insufferable r/childfree redditors who hate on literal children. If you hate babies there is something wrong with your brain.
I like kids, I don’t like sitting in a small metal box with the unavoidable sound of crying for hours though. Flying sucks enough as it is.
I’m glad you’re speaking up. This isn’t a black and white situation. Sometimes I’d travel by plane to a surgery or from one, was already in a lot of pain and sensitive and having a child scream through it all gave me panic attacks. When I’m on my best, I don’t mind but I’m disheartened by the absolute disregard people attacking those who speak up against children on planes have towards people with misophonia, whatever it may be induced by. Idk where those people get noise canceling earphones and earplugs to have the noise of children screaming non stop next to you be blocked by them.
Well good, I accepted that long before I ever had kids!
Were you forced to have kids at gunpoint?
Logical solution to this is to wait until your kid grows up a little bit and stops crying for no fucking reason. You can still travel with your toddler if you really want to, but use your own car. I don’t get the reason to take a kid this young, to travel with you, since he’s not going to remember anything anyway
I live in Norway. It’s my constitutional right to have 5 weeks of paid holiday a year (excluding public holidays) whether or not I have children. Driving isn’t viable as it would take several days just to get to a ferry that leaves Norway. Crying children are a part of flying, get used to it.
Doesn’t mean you have to fly somewhere for a simple holiday.
Yes I could drive a day and go camping in northern Scandinavia and get eaten alive by mosquitoes the size of sparrow hawks.
Could you? Then we can find that child a better parent.
Children* they enjoy their holidays in Spain.
It’s a baby, baby don’t know, baby don’t care. YOU want time in Spain. Ffs
You can have holidays in the same country that you live you know… Since you have a small child, it would be best to take care of him, instead of flying around in planes
A couple of hours in a plane is less stressful for a toddler than several days in a car seat I assure you.
Probably yeah, but also less stressful would be to plan your exotic seaside resort vacation in two years, when the little spawn of satan is not prone to crying for reasons classified.
don’t go on holiday if you have cum pets. You chose that when you couldn’t keep it in your pants.
cum pets
You think you’re more deserving of a holiday just because you’re shooting blanks?
i stay quiet and read my book and don’t annoy the entire plane/train/bus.
Do you want a medal?
You are annoying the entire forum right now. You are outsourcing your shittiness online because you are deeply unwell and need an outlet
You’re annoying the entirety of lemmy instead
I’m here on lemmy, and I think he right fine. Shit, I should buy him a beer. It’s the baby’s that annoy, aaaand their entitled parents.
You do realize you don’t have to take a plane to go on vacation, right? It won’t kill you to not take a plane for a couple of years
Just because you’re so ugly nobody would ever reproduce with you doesn’t give you excuse to whine about children all the time. Go back to r/childfree you soulless redditor.
One kind of people makes humanity not go extinct in the near future.
Eh, I’m mortal anyway. I don’t benefit from other people’s annoying offspring being around after I’m gone.
And they don’t benefit from your presence now, or in the future, or at any point actually.
Yeah, that’s why I leave them alone and I want them to leave me alone.
Honestly? You should.
They should put soulless freaks like you down. Having empathy for literal babies is a basic requirement for a human being.
Parent who fly with toddlers here. My kids made noise throughout the entire flight. To those passengers who got mad, you know what I think: Fuck you!
To be clear, I never met anyone who was angry. Most people made fun with them and enjoyed seeing the youth
It’s fine if they’re playing. If all they’re doing is crying, no one wants to hear that shit.
My only issue with kids on a flight is if I’m responsible for them. If they are someone else’s problem, all is well.
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I’ll never mention anything on the plane of course because I realize the parents don’t really have a choice and small children will inevitably act like small children but I can’t really help being annoyed by their behavior either. Some people just don’t like kids and that’s fine too.
To those passengers who got mad, you know what I think: Fuck you!
based
Fuck you!
Well fuck your children then too. If they get close while screaming, I will hit them.
If I see one of you reddit neckbeards lay a single hand on a child I will smash your skull in.
Control your children, or don’t have them. Fuck you.
