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Yeah bruh, I try to avoid porn. Personal decision. PERSONAL. Stay the fuck out of everyone’s goddamn lives. Fucking fascist republican swine.
its not facist to try to stop kids from accessing porn
Parents jobs. And TONS of ways to do it without punishing everyone and collecting PII.
How would you as a parent prevent your kids from accessing porn?
Filtered dns provided via opendns.com is a damn good/easy option. Not 100% but will take care of most junk that may accidentally pop up. If they are smart enough to get around that, I feel they are old enough to understand the concept and consequences of sexual intercourse.
Anyone smart enough to get around that would also be smart enough to get around whatever the government does to block it.
I like this take for two reasons. You’re one hundred percent right. But also. It’s part of the whole deal, keep feeding the “justice system” people that aren’t smart enough or just didn’t think of the potential fall out. These laws aren’t meant to stop everyone, they’re meant to choose who it is they want to stop.
Agreed, unless it was everything everywhere, that would be scary, like China scary
Most routers have parental controls. Web sites have categories, and you can explicitly block those categories. You can use 3rd party dns tools like nextdns for granular control. Lots of parental software you can install that can limit PC time use, sites, tracking, etc. you can blacklist sites too. Lots of control and access levels so you don’t block yourself too.
or you know… talk to your kids
sure, but it’s not going to curb the curiosity 100%. and it’s not just sex sites, kids don’t need to see sites like crazyshit.com, etc until they’re at least mature enough.
i’m wouldn’t be looking to curb curiosity tho… that’s not natural at all… instead i’d be looking to address it head on…
i’m telling my kids, yes this happens, this is a thing… share my viewpoints on the dangers of abusing it… and reprimand them for treating it as such.
they’re still going to do it… but at least them knowing that i’m well aware of it as a parent would lessen risk of them turning it into some sort of secret addiction of theirs.
@mmagod
Do you have kids?
What did you tell them about hardcore anal? All the kids want anal now.
They don’t know about all the prep, the behind the scenes, the emergency room runs where someone gets a perferated colon and risks bleeding out internally.
Did you mention that to your daughter?
I’m not advocating for government control, but simple snappy one liners are just that. Unless they’re funny. We all like those 😉
lol no kids…
that’s the thing… by me saying talk to kids… im saying address it all… i’m looking to educate them, not shelter them…
if/when i have one, i’m telling them this world ain’t all sunshine and rainbows… here’s how to make the smart and wise decisions…~then i’d hand them their baby bottle~
And then you put your phone on cellular and all the Wi-Fi controls are gone.
Google family app does some good.
if you’ve got a kid old enough to be using a phone, but not old enough to know about sex, and you haven’t enabled parental controls, you have other things to worry about. or they’re old enough to look at whatever they please.
Parents have proven they are not capable of managing it themselves.
Not the states problem. Also, much bigger issues than naked ladies on computer.
It is if the parents wont do anything about it.
Bring in the military to feed my kids some vegetables.
Lolwut? So if my parents didn’t do something for me, the state needs to pick us the slack? No. It’s porn man, not jihad.
So you think everyone should pay for the fact that you’re a bad parent?
Edit: This user is probably just a troll who should be blocked/banned on sight. Their argument here today flies directly in the face of another moronic stance they displayed a week ago.
Then spend a day or two in sex ed every year talking about responsible porn consumption. Jfc this isn’t rocket science.
We’re talking about boobs and penises here people. Chances are you have at least one of those. This is just penetration and masturbation in realistic and fantasy settings. This isn’t profane, this is nature.
The truly disgusting part of porn isn’t the sex.
LMFAO we gonna do that for hungry kids too? Or are we just gonna cherry pick the shit the bible never said and go with “what this other guy, what’s his name, whatever doesn’t matter”, said it on Facebook that one time?
You guys are fucking ludicrous with what you think the government should and shouldn’t do. if you spent more time thinking about what you could achieve yourself and for the people around you, rather than what you think should be imposed on everyone else you may be surprised. I really hope you think about this because Jesus fucking Christ watching y’all think like this is exhausting.
Maybe grow the fuck up and stop depending on gummint to do shit for you. Bootstraps n shit, bruh.
Because, as much as I’d like to, I cant go into every family home and take away the kids’ devices.
“I’m not a fascist, I just want to impose my specific views on the entirety of humanity by force!”
Have you ever considered fellating a joshua tree?
Says the not fascist….
Cool. So let’s get all the guns out of any houses with minors.
guns are not as addictive as porn
I hope and assume you’re a troll but if you aren’t, please, please, seek help.
Just wow bro. Full fash
A parents inability to parent their children should not infringe upon my right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
Happiness= porn in his case
Just as the founders intended.
Based on what?
Parents could not keep up with fast pace of emerging technologies.
I’m not defending the ban on porn, I’m just saying.
Parents have also proven that they are capable of managing it themselves.
Almost like ‘parents’ is not one person.
Dumb parents are gonna be dumb regardless of all the stupid law enacted by other dumb parents.
So now you’re blaming parents? Have you no family values? Why do you hate American families so much?
As you’re here on Lemmy, a site that has pornographic content, we’re going to need you to post a picture of your government ID, next to your face, with your username on a piece of paper, as a reply to this comment. You know, to prevent kids accessing porn.
We scan your balls
Padme: For cancer, right?
Anakin:
Padme: For cancer, right?
BALL SCAN COMPLETE
SEARCHING BALLS DATABASE FOR MATCH
BALLS IDENTIFIED
WELCOME MR JONES, PLEASE ENJOY THE PORN
If you actually believe this is about protecting children then I have a bridge to sell you
Fuck a bridge. Let’s sell em some “antiporn software” that is subscription based.
You have some business model here pal, I say go
Putting age gates on the Internet is indeed pretty authoritarian though, and starting with porn is only the beginning
Not authoitarian at all. Its the bare minimum
this is the textbook definition of government overreach, forcing everyone to play nanny state because republicans can’t control their little shitlings internet use
the fact that you think for one second that this bullshit will stop kids from accessing porn demonstrates how clueless all these cromagnon chuds are about how the internet actually works.
We need to do the same thing with any religious sites as well. Kids shouldn’t be exposed to that crap without parental guidance either. It is however a massive waste of resources and time since kids are smarter than the idiots making the laws and will very very easily bypass this and laugh in the faces of the fascist fucks that think they’re controlling people while watching whatever porn they want. Get fucked.
Religious sites are not porn.
And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
Bitches got their dad drunk and raped him till they got pregnant.
No porn in religion, my hairy ass. I could nut 5 times before I finish reading Genesis. God damn bible practically starts off as a collection of “Dear Penthouse” columns for wealthy literate men who liked wearing colorful gowns.
Yea The clergy just rapes the kids instead
Go look up what authoritarian means again
It’s absolutely authoritarian. You’re an idiot if you think otherwise. I’m not even going to offer an argument, you’re just stupid.
Mate please go choke on a cactus or something
I wish I didn’t watch porn as a kid, so I’m with you on this
I wish I had sex as a kid, but porn was a nice substitute.
That’s something I hadn’t thought about.
Don’t let your dreams just be dreams! Go out and find some kids and help them make their wish come true!
The world shouldn’t have to pay because your parents sucked at their job and fucked you up, bro.
Ah you’re right, my parents should have known about the dangers of porn in 1997. I’m also not fucked up, just feel as if I’d have been better without
Do… Do you think porn was a new-fangled thing in 1997?
You’re a grown-ass human being projecting your problems into the entirety of human society. That’s pretty fucked up from where I stand.
How shitty a parent are you to either not know how to work parental controls or better… to talk to your kids about healthy attitudes towards sex?*
*besides abstinence
Yeah, my parents had the talk with me when they found my physical, irl folder of printed hentai art (this was like, 2002ish and I didn’t have my own PC and I didn’t have a Pornstation Portable sadly (PSP))
The “talk” was my parents sitting me down, telling me what my mom found, and then my mom getting up and telling my dad to talk to me about it, and she left, and then my dad just told me not to look at it until I was older and that was it -__-
Boomer parenting hell yeah
Parental controls are easy to get around in most cases, and kids are generally smarter than (most) adults when it comes to tech. I remember back in the days of AOL my dad enabled Parental Controls on my account. Pissed that my tween self couldn’t look at low resolution pictures of naked women I figured out quickly how to remedy that: I downloaded a keylogger which ran in the background of Windows all the time and when I heard the famous “Welcome! You’ve got mail!” I waited until he signed off, jumped on the PC, opened the keylog file, found a string of text that looked like a password (no one was using complex passwords back then, usually just a word or two), signed on to his account, and then re-enabled full access on my account.
But I bet you think it is fascist to pass laws which stop kids from getting shot at school?
They are going to access it anyway
This. It’s like, do these people think kids aren’t interested in that stuff? Like, I remember getting an abstinence talk during my freshman year. I remember being told how awesome sex was, but also to wait. And even still, nearly everyone was fucking everyone else in my graduating class. Like, how willfully ignorant do you have to be to think that kids don’t hook up?
Covering a kids ears when you swear like they don’t already know more swear words than the parent does. When I was a kid, if there were no adults around we swore like fucking sailors.
wildly understated too…
like… middle school kids today navigated mobile devices with ease when they were toddlers…
they’re gonna know what a vpn is before they leave high school.
we’re just better off addressing the issue head on than trying to band-aid it… it won’t work
Yes and let’s put ID verification on anything that might have curses too. Can’t risk a parent not sheltering their child hard enough.
Actually, can we get ID verification for voice chat in online shooters?
Shit would sound like a church in COD.
The world isn’t made for children, where are their fucking parents?
Their parents are not doing a good enough job. Its time for the law to step in
Its time for the law to step in
funny-- people say the same thing about guns, but the reply is “NOOOOO but what about the LaW aBiDiNg CiTiZeNs”
That is the definition of an authoritarian position.
Yes, they should step in, and direct those parents not the rest of society that isn’t a failure to their children. Maybe letting your children engage in pornographic material should be against the law, not the porn that any reasonable person can consume without involving children.
Maybe if you aren’t fit to care for your children, you shouldn’t be allowed to have them.
It’s almost like conservatives refusing to teach their children to have a healthy relationship with sex (sexual health, importance of consent, etc) is fucking them up, and banning porn is a shitty attempted bandaid solution for their inability to properly raise their children
yes it is; that’s exactly what it is. kids is the go-to reason fascists give to censor, ban, burn books, discriminate against people and control people’s bodies and lives. it’s not a coincidence that “children” is one of the 14 words.
i dont know what you mean by 14 words. Like 14 protected classes?
The primary slogan in the Fourteen Words is,
We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children,
Followed by the secondary slogan,
because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the Earth.
BuT mUh GuNz!!!11!
Speaking as a “muh gunz” person that person is fucking stupid
Idiot
It is, though
It’s not stopping anybody. If you are a horny enough 13 year old you’ll find it on any platform. Speaking from experience YouTube, Instagram, Reddit (obviously lemmy as well) and in short the rest of them can be pretty easily used to access porn. It’s not allowed on for example YouTube but it’s still there or it manages to be technically allowed through being “educational content”. Obviously we aren’t talking about like Brazzers or whatever being directly uploaded but there’s definitely naked people doing proactive things.
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Imagine linking your porn watching to your government ID? It WILL leak, and you’ll be embarrassed. 😳
I’m reminded of those time churches would line up around sex shops and take “photos” of visitors to shame them.
That’s pretty much what they want to do now with this
isn’t that illegal on multiple counts?
I don’t believe so, the people at the porn shop are at a public place and anyone can take a picture of you in public. You have zero rights to privacy in public spaces (AFAIK), ya know, because they’re public spaces.
Public harassment? Humiliation? How about using those photos with malicious purpose without consent? Sure it’s must be some kind of defamation?
Also, I don’t think you can just following a stranger and take their pictures just because it’s “public space”. There must be some kind of limitations to that.
Did you forget about the Paparazzi? Their job is to literally follow celebrities and take pictures of them in public.
More than that, even in non extremist communities, your social life will be destroyed.
I imagine this Jolly Roger…
Yarrr?
Harr?
YO! HO! HO!
How is it these laws can get passed but our legislatures can’t do anything that’s actually important for society? 
The legislators passing these laws are interested only in hurting people, getting bribes, and getting reelected so they can continue. Doing something important for society doesn’t even factor into their decision making.
It’s so much worse than that. North Carolina House Bill 8 was created a year ago to add Computer Science to middle school and high school curriculums. Throughout it’s 3 edits over the year, all 10 pages of the bill were about teaching kids computer science. Then, ONE WEEK before the bill was passed, a paragraph on the last page was added including the text requiring age verification for adult websites. https://www.ncleg.gov/BillLookup/2023/H8
At that point it was too late, and anyone against the bill would be called out for being against teaching kids computer science. The cowards writing these bills know that they would be shot down immediately if they were public about what they were doing, so they tack it on to a children’s education bill and hope no one notices until it’s too late.
That kind of shit should really be illegal
It is illegal where I live. I imagine it’s illegal in most developed countries. Bills can only have one purpose, they can’t combine unrelated things.
I’ve heard of several cases in the USA where they combine unrelated things to mess with voters. Even this one is kinda related but school education plus internet censorship. Split that shit up and let the people vote for what they want.
Edit: it’s a rider
“Several cases?” Lol
Virtually every bill that passes in Congress contains riders and typically only passes because of those riders.
I think I just had my worst American brain moment. Definitely assumed this was common everywhere and am in shock it’s not. Must be nice lol
Other countries have actual middle-class structures, so I can only assume so.
Well I guess it’s back to the garbage bag of porn mags in the woods for North Carolina and Montana kids.
Seriously tho, who is this law stopping? When I was a kid I would traverse the entire city if it meant there was a chance I’d see a boob.
If I had to start torrenting porn I would probably develop a serious habit from having to curate my own library. I would also gain full access to videos I normally wouldn’t bother with making everything even more involved.
The beauty of pornhub is you load it up, do some minor browsing, settle on something and forget all about it. Having to maintain a personal library would consume more of your time and you would develop even more intense prefrences.
Nah, curating is pretty easy! https://github.com/stashapp/stash
I didn’t say it was difficult
6.8k stars for what looks like the jellyfin of porn.
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You bring up an interesting point. My theory is that this is no more than a hopeless election-year shenanigan.
THE WAR ON PORN ^sponsored ^by ^the ^war ^on ^drugs
Why is everyone acting like PornHub and the companies owned by the parent company are the only porn sites in existence? Literally just search for “porn sites” and you’re done, or if you’re looking for a specific model whose videos you found there just search for their name.
Pornhub is just the least skeevy but you’re right. I also understand it would be impossible to get every porn site in existence to follow US law. These are just all more reasons its a stupid idea.
Xvideos and Xhamster are pretty much the same as PornHub.
I think it’s fine that they are making it a bit harder for kids. Overexposure to this can cause issues in mental health and the brain. So yeha, this won’t stop anybody for accessing porn if they really want it but it will prevent overexposure.
I mean I honestly think if they really wanted to “protect the children” they’d actually make COPPA enforcement a lot more strict (and also add in under 18 limitations), though I suspect that would be significantly harder.
There are a lot of places where you can get exposure to “bad” stuff as a child that are arguably more dangerous long term.
Are we talking about the internet? I honestly feel the internet is just too wild for children. I’d even create legislation for phones and computers to have mandatory internet security features for minors. I grew up looking at things like Rotten and Liveleaks with friends at school. Without noticing, watching people die in gory ways was my main internet activity at 15, and it was pretty hard to stop that habit. I wish I didn’t have access to that content at that age, I was pretty fucked up for a couple of years. I was totally desensitized and didn’t care when a family member died, didn’t feel a thing. I knew it was wrong, I just couldn’t feel anything.
Yes.
A bunch of states including NC are just blocking porn to protect the children but it’s literally the laziest solution with some of the smallest impact.
Twitch, Discord, and Roblox are far more accessible and arguably more dangerous in terms of short term consequences than porn because they are primarily social interaction platforms.
I’ve never seen Rotten or Liveleaks (at first I thought you meant Rotten Tomatoes that’s how unaware I am), but they could probably use similar regulation.
It’s not even that I think porn regulation is inherently bad, but the implementation is garbage and the claim to protect the children is extremely weak.
Social content sites are dangerous because of the opportunity for predators to easily encounter minors (especially age restriction breaking ones under 13), and violent content sites are, well, violent? They should be a higher priority but they evidently aren’t.
Yeha, I’m not defending the implementation but the idea. I think children shouldn’t be exposed to certain things. The reality is that the internet is flooded with porn and it’s basically impossible to achieve, but maybe this is just the beginning of something more organized.
As much as I would like to believe that, these politicians have more than demonstrated their intentions and modus operandi. They need to be voted out and replaced with someone who will actually try to do the right thing even if it’s not such an easy talking point come reelection time.
It won’t though. See the war on drugs.
best of all, this strategy isn’t going to decrease viewership, probably increase it. it’s also going to increase the usage of vpn’s.
VPNs will be their next target. This isn’t an accident. They are setting up the framework for China like internet censorship laws, but they are going to take this way fucking farther than China ever has. They are building a system for state laws to establish interstate autocracy on the foundation of abortion and trans panic.
So it’s bodily autonomy, identity, sexuality, privacy that’s on the chopping block…
Seems like democracy is going to be pretty hollow without at least a little free expression.
It’s likely just going to drive it off to the less centralized websites that won’t block anyway because they are just so used to ignoring the requests. The only reason PornHub has to pay heed is because they try to go at it the “legal” route.
Hell, there’s a shitload of porn on Reddit and Lemmy that isn’t geofenced or age restricted.
This is just a silly waste of resources.
The most effective regulation here is from payment handlers.
Not sure what eventually became of this, but MasterCard shitcanned PornHub a few years ago. See https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52543508
I also see a statement from 2022 reinforcing that decision. https://www.mastercard.com/news/press/2022/august/mastercard-statement-reinforcing-adult-content-standards/
I guess even that’s not very effective since PornHub is obviously still in business. I wonder what their numbers looked like before and after.
Pornography access seems very close to people’s heart in here but the claim “it won’t decrease viewership, probably increase it” has zero chance of being true.
However insignificant it might be, any amount of faff will lower participation and there isn’t a single person in the world thinking “I don’t watch pornography or allow my children to watch pornography but now the gubbermint is involved we’re going to do nothing else but watch smut”.
There are so many shit takes in this thread that I have to assume they’re from children upset about their pornography being cut off.
Those who want porn will get it. It’s a need, like alcohol and tobacco. It being illegal will make teens even more interested.
It’s a need, like alcohol and tobacco
Two things that demonstrably haven’t grown more popular when they’ve been made less accessible, despite those restrictions not having 100% success rate.
And although I don’t fundamentally object to any of them, calling alcohol, tobacco and pornography a “need” just makes you sound like even more of a child.
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Its not about blocking it, its about making it criminal so they can eventually loop in certain people who partake in it.
I think one legislator even said so brazenly this is all about limiting access to LGBT people.
North Carolina and Montana, why you so dumb?
As a NC resident, especially in IT, this is just dumb. Even the built-in VPN in Opera bypasses it. Any reasonably smart kid will figure it out. This is just theater.
One of the least populated provinces in my country just outlawed 5G for “health concerns”
So now you can get 5.1G or 4.9G?
What country do you live in?
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It’s called coal ash, and we’re still paying Duke Energy to not clean up their own mess.
I lived in NC for a little while myself. They’re trying to bring the state into the future in the triangle area but their backwards government will not let it happen.
As a current NC resident, I concur. Roy Cooper is about the only thing standing in the way of the complete Republican domination in our house and senate. The triangle area is growing and developing at ludicrous speeds (Raleigh metro has grown 50% in less than 10 years), the tech industry has exploded, the cultural scene is rampant, but these goddamn pieces of cruel, lying, traitorous, backstabbing scumbags over on W Jones St. want to ban abortion, scrape away any remaining worker’s rights, deny the LGBT community, lock up teachers, and worse. If it weren’t for Cooper’s veto and the Republicans only having a simple majority, we’d probably be floating with Florida in the cesspit seas.
I agree, your previous governor Pat McCrory (who I nicknamed MC Pee Pants due to his obsession with starting up a state bathroom police force and the show Aqua Teen Hunger Force) made himself and the state quite a laughingstock when he was in charge which (IMO) resulted in Cooper’s election. That was back before companies had their current fatigue with “SJWs” and were actually willing to take actions when radical state governments were trying to institute weirdo, fascist anti-trans policies. I remember his “bathroom bill” did not go over well on the national stage and I think that had something to do with his defeat in 2016.
I’m pretty unsure about what will happen this election cycle though. 🙁
EDIT: Good luck to you guys, though. Hopefully, you keep sanity in the governor’s mansion.
Where I used to live, it was the stench on money. Literally.
You can add Arkansas to that comment
So what are they gonna do? Figure out how to bill companies all over the world for not knowing their local bullshit and accommodating it? Fucking clowns.
BUT MAH FREEDOMS!!!
At least the yokels stuck it to the libs before they had all their extra-depraved porn taken away.
Hey! That porn’s sneaking over the border and stealing their jobs!
North Carolina and Montana just flipped some folks from red to blue “for reasons…”
At this point I’m not convinced people will abandon the Republicans. Especially if they get to vote for Trump. They’ll just assume Trump will fix it by taking PornHub to court cause this is all PornHubs fault.
Nothing what my VPN can’t handle…
I give this 6 months before the list of visitors is released…
VPN companies don’t need much advertising these days. The customers will come by themselves!
The customers will come by themselves!
Nice.
Vpns and proxies to the rescue!
No. Stop your government right there, while you still can.
Or else you’ll have the same shit we have here in Russia.
This feels like a co-ordinated attack on LGBT porn more than anything.
What gives you that idea? Religious conservatives dislike all porn (publicly, we all know most of them watch it privately), even the straight kind.
It’s ridiculous that elected officials can be so unbelievably fucking stupid.
What a fucking waste of tax dollars
