Already looking ahead to the turmoil his re-election could cause, Donald Trump and his allies are reportedly circling an idea to invoke the Insurrection Act on his first day in office, deploying the military to act as domestic law enforcement.
According to a Washington Post report on Sunday, the drafting of such plans has largely been “unofficially outsourced” thus far to a coalition of right-wing think tanks working under the title “Project 2025.” It was identified as an immediate priority for the hypothetical resurrected Trump administration, internal communications obtained by the newspaper showed.
In response to questions from the Post, Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung provided a statement: “President Trump is focused on crushing his opponents in the primary election and then going on to beat Crooked Joe Biden,” he said. “President Trump has always stood for law and order, and protecting the Constitution.”
One failed coup, on trial for insurrection and planning the next one.
Welcome to this episode of “Dumb Criminals”.Technically if he wins the election it wouldn’t be insurrection, but anyone trying to stop him would be.
He won’t win.
As an outsider looking in I’m not so confident
I’ve heard that one before. Didn’t turn out well.
I said that the first time around. I’m hoping it remains true though.
Is america really this retarded?
Trump lost the popular vote last time but still got enough state victories to win with Electoral College votes, and he is less popular now than then, but his base is very vocal and with so many adults disassociating themselves with the Republican Party it makes it a very bottom of the barrel pool for candidates.
The problem is there is only one other national party with any chance of winning, and their candidate just gave more weapons to the nation currently bombing children’s hospitals and refugee camps.
So while the average US Citizen might be better than this, our ancestors built a system and our elders corrupted it to the point where a large enough coalition of below average people can destroy the nation. Yes, we’re really that stupid.
The problem is media capture and people not realizing how they are being bamboozled, not anything else.
My sister in law: Ahem, fake news. Checkmate librul.
Your average American voter is apparently a goldfish.
About 40% is yes…which is enough to cause serious issues.
There’s a good documentary on this - Idiocracy.
Yet those people were smarter than his supporters. they saw someone smart and decided to put him in power.
Not a good example because Camacho literally acknowledged that there was a problem and then put the smartest man in the world towards fixing it.
Oh god. It’s worse than Idiocracy.
Reality is Stranger Than fiction, not because we live in a world of Wonder and miracle or there’s some kind of magic in the world that makes things happen. But simply because people who write fiction typically want it to make sense.
Yes. Kill me, please.
Evidently yes. I can’t even wrap my head around it. I will die before ever fully understanding how any grown and evidently sane adult could ever look at Donald Trump and say to themselves, “yeah, that’s the guy I want for my president!” I just can’t fathom it. I’ve had years to think about it but it still simply does not compute.
Correct
I’m so sick of these treasonous jackals.
Man, I was hoping that since we’re obviously gonna end up with a dystopia, that it would be a cyberpunk one, but here we are, gonna be stuck with a regular boring ass dictatorship.
No, but please keep telling me how a three year age difference is more important than US democracy…
Better article on the topic IMO: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservatives-aim-to-restructure-u-s-government-and-replace-it-with-trumps-vision
Basically a conservative power fantasy
I like to think I can read pretty good, but I couldn’t figure out how the post summary is related to the article.
Dailybeast does a “doomscroll” load next article thing. That paragraph is from that. Its on the same page, so the bot likely just fucked up. Here’s the article name if y’all want context:
Inside the Mean-Girl Army Going to War for a Celebrity Dietician
How to have large swathes of the military join the protestors, step 1.
People IMO VASTLY overestimate the popularity of the Republicans among the troops. It probably breaks about the same way as the general populace, and as far as being willing to follow orders to march against protestors, the troops that would do it are probably more worried about their own fellow soldiers turning on them than they are about being reprimanded for saying no.
That might be the point. Deploy the military in a low stakes situation to see who listens. Kick all the defactors out of the military. Then, when you actually need them, you are left with a military full of loyalists.
I think attempting that would instantly prompt an international crisis for no reason other than the fact that the US would instantly be reduced to a sliver of its usual operating military strength.
Forget the military turning on itself, at that point the EU are sending troops over for an intervention.
Forget the military turning on itself, at that point the EU are sending troops over for an intervention.
Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your judicial and regulatory distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt no not misuse regional names for foods. Resistance is negotiable in parliament, but will take a long time to do so.
The USA is it’s own continent, noone is going to attempt to send troops over. A self coup like that is very plausible, it’s been done many times before in other countries and there’s nothing exceptional about the USA in this regard.
Oooh, You see the scary smart level of evil.
So are these military members who help “overthrow” the current rule going to wear a specific color? Like Brown Shirts, for instance?
It’s not that easy. You could lose the wrong kind of people, let leaders, have rank imbalance. It’s not one big pool of people. I mean what if 70% refuse? We just neuter ourselves?
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Hmm, maybe that could introduce some variability but I’d point to the DC riots where NG troops were so ashamed of what they were doing that several confessed to reporters that they were lying to their families and saying they weren’t deployed for that.
Ultimately it’ll end up coming down to how willing your typical boots on the ground in the moment soldier would react to being given such a wildly unconstitutional order as to openly engage in hostilities against dissenters, to that end I believe the US shares Germany’s protection of the right to refuse an unlawful order and to arrest the superior issuing and trying to force it.
I also think most military higher ups tend to air at least on the side of not being flagrant about contempting the general lean of the public against a more right wing posture, so I’d place decent odds that Trump would be playing with the possibility of the US military going on strike rather than assisting his attempt at being a big strong boss man and locking up everyone who disagrees.
We could debate what a general strike would do to the US economy, but we can all agree that the USM going on strike would more or less instantly prompt constitutional crisis mode.
And the guy called Cheung is behind that quote? Wake up sweety, you’d go into conc camps, just like asian-looking americans did while the ww2 was going on.
They would have to do something about Posse Comitatus first.
“The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which removed the military from regular civil law enforcement, was enacted in response to the abuses resulting from the extensive use of the army in civil law enforcement during the Civil War and the Reconstruction. The Act allows legislated exceptions.”
That “something” might just turn out to be as simple as “ignore it”.
I mean, I guess, they could try… but then they would be delivering unlawful orders to the military. That likely won’t go the way they think it will go.
The military has been deployed against the civilian populace before, re the Ohio State massacre. This would be on a whole other level, but there is precedent.
Because, as we’ve seen, Trump would totes follow the Rule of Law…then again, who needs silly things like Laws when you become the self-declared Lord Emperor after “fixing” America.
“abuses… during the Civil War and the Reconstruction”, as if there wasn’t a bunch of states that not only rebelled, but refused to enforce Federal law after the civil war.
Why do you think Tuberville is deliberately crippling the officer corps?
They’re going to meet some metaphorical roadblocks along the military chain of command, and they’ll meet physical roadblocks of well equipped citizens who won’t stand for this.
The first part maybe, but the second - no.
There might be pockets of small arms fire and a few civ x mil casualties, but anything beyond that is pure fantasy. It would quickly become a question of “are you willing to go on a kamikaze guaranteed suicide mission to be heard and die at the hands of the US military, now, today, in protest?”
“They can’t stop us all!”
True, but you don’t have “us” all. You think my 99 year old grandmother is going to fight the US military? What about my friends 5 year old? What about my father in law who cares for another elderly relative and is their only hope of survival? What about my wife who needs regular medication?
There are so many of us who, despite our extreme ideological opposition to fascism simply wouldn’t be effective infantry. Hell even most people who regularly hunt deer and shoot guns daily at the range will fall to military tactics, because hunting a garrison of soldiers in vehicles, with air support and explosives, who shoot back, and have been trained in how to reinforce their positions etc is very different to shooting a static paper target that’s not behind cover in a straight line ahead of you at eye level.
I reckon, if I got the jump on an unsuspecting soldier who wasn’t expecting it, and I was armed, I’d have a 55% chance of murdering him. Add just one other person watching his back and I’d be dead before I could do more than bruise him.
The 2A Fantasy of fighting back against a tyrannical government requires a well-organized militia. Which means putting Sunday school teachers, middle managers, dentists and retail workers through months of boot camp training. During those months, who’s fighting?
Just look at Israel / Palestine. We’d be Palestine. Yes, a few guerilla tactics would kill dozens of soldiers, who’d then retaliate and kill thousands of civilians, while the rest of the world goes, “Oh no.”
I’ll add on that the first part is also a fantasy.
I’ve known and worked with a lot of “military leadership” over the decades. If they were as heroic and as dedicated to protecting The Constitution as people pretend they are: They would not have waited on January 6th. They would have decided “the exiting president is engaging in a coup and the vice president is MIA. And the Speaker is under siege. Autobots, roll out”
Instead, they sat on their hands and waited to see how things shake out.
Which is what would happen. Martial law? Cool, “this is what we trained for”. Putting down uprisings? MAYBE there would be some light hesitation until one gravy seal got overly excited and shot their load off. At which point, the training kicks in and they expect everyone to say “thank you for your service” for the rest of their lives because they put down the insurgents.
Because soldiers are not inherently evil. But they sure do commit a LOT of war crimes and crimes against humanity. And that is because they are indoctrinated to follow orders and care more about “the man in the foxhole next to you” than anyone else.
And the people who make it a career of indoctrinating those dumbass kids and sending them to fuck up the world? They aren’t going to be rocking the boat.
I worry that most of the “well armed citizens” will be thrilled to support him in this.
This. And also most civilians have a working self-preservation instinct. They will duck and run the moment shots are being fired. Hell, there are even cops who are like this. Everyone who thinks of himself a Rambo will have those sudden tummy aches the moment shit goes down.
Good thing they sent a strong message to rioters that the consequences for storming the Capitol to overturn an election is… maybe a couple of years in prison maximum. I’m sure that’s enough to dissuade Trump from trying again. He wouldn’t want to hurt his supporters, would he? /s (every sentence)
Trump was the exemplary student of “Escalation 101” at Dicks University.
lol america finally stepping into that final line to fascism
When they win, they will try to rehabilitate the “conservative salute”.
that’s how you turn a cold civil war into a hot civil war
And yet not a single person with the power to do anything right now - is doing anything right now.
Motherfucker is still outright disrespecting our entire system of justice - or whatever is left of it for the rich.
This is not true at all. There are many very powerful people working very hard to make sure that he’s not reelected. That you don’t know about it says more about you than it does anyone else. You just aren’t paying attention.
Well if they actually punished people when they did something wrong, then it wouldn’t look very good for decorum now would it?
If we cared for decorum then we would’ve never stopped wearing the white wigs.
Straight facts
Correct. That’s the plan
