Two counterarguments:

National September 11 Memorial  Museum

  • ME5SENGER_24
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    342 years ago

    5 Star General, former President, Dwight D. Eisenhower had this to say about the Military Industrial complex. It rings true today as much as it did in 1961

    SPEECH

    • chaogomu
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      Eisenhower was the main force behind building the Military Industrial complex.

      It’s kind of like a drunken, pantsless party guest saying that there’s a bunch of shit and vomit in the bathroom, and that it will certainly be a problem, but they’re going home now, so you should clean it up.

      Only instead of shit and vomit, it’s a bunch of rich assholes making money by killing poor people.

        • chaogomu
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          He was kind of saying “there’s this thing I built that could make all of you really rich, but it’s kind of horrible, you should totally dismantle it instead of using it to get rich”.

          When Eisenhower gave that speech in 1961, there were already people screaming about how the military industrial complex was horrific, how it would lead to endless wars, and how it would cause global suffering.

  • Infamousblt [any]
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    272 years ago

    Is “American Security” going to pay off my student loan debts? How about my rent? How about for my medication this month?

    No?

    Then fuck off.

  • NecoArcKbinAccount
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    yes because bombing pali children will save us from a sovergen debt crisis and a bunch of other issues that resulted in the US dumping tens of billions in “foreign aid” while allowing the country to rot with a shitty 2 party system.

    but the GDP went up!!!

    when was the last time the GDP actually improved your life?

  • Melkath
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    252 years ago

    Why is this moron still lumping Ukraine and Israel into the same bucket?

    He should have just stuck to his most effective presidential policy, wearing cool glasses and having prog-fascists give him cool nicknames.

  • @gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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    Ukraine? 100%. This is among the best and most cost effective uses of US military funding ever. A hostile (or at least deeply antagonistic) nuclear power is geopolitically neutering themselves in slow motion, and all we have to do is send some crap over and make sure the Ukrainians don’t run out of bullets. We’re destroying the combat effectiveness of what we thought was a peer power for literal pennies on the dollar.

    Israel? 😬 the whole thing is a shitshow, and Netanyahu’s strategies have been and continue to be obviously unworkable in the long term.

  • @Doorbook@lemmy.world
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    He should name one security argument of supporting “Isreal”.

    A political system where the president can say whatever without an opposition is useless…

      • Maeve
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        82 years ago

        Tbf they’re mostly all crazy. Just some are better at hiding it than others.

          • Maeve
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            82 years ago

            The ones who better hide it are not always the more sane nor safe.

  • davel [he/him]OP
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    232 years ago

    More evidence to the contrary today: FBI says Hamas attack on Israel inspiring ‘new level’ of terror threat against US

    The head of the FBI warned a congressional hearing on Tuesday that the Hamas attack on Israel has given terrorists inspiration “the likes of which we haven’t seen” since the rise of Isis a decade ago.

    Christopher Wray told the US Senate committee on homeland security and governmental affairs that while the terrorism threat had been high throughout 2023, “the ongoing war in the Middle East has raised the threat of an attack against Americans in the United States to a whole other level”.

    “We assess that the actions of Hamas and its allies will serve as an inspiration the likes of which we haven’t seen since Isis launched its so-called caliphate years ago,” Wray said.

    Original link is paywalled: https://www.ft.com/content/e1758abc-df4c-49d4-ad4f-3f7b5f143305

  • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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    232 years ago

    How are you going to pay for that?!?!

    Fuck every single media hack that asked that question over and over in 2020 about m4a and isn’t asking that now

  • @shiveyarbles@beehaw.org
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    192 years ago

    Ukraine and Israel are completely different issues. It’s like they’re trying to piggy back Israels situation on the popular support for Ukraine against a Russian invasion.

    • MustrumR
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      62 years ago

      There’s a slight difference between:

      • Helping an underdog that got invaded. While the invading force is by the way one of your worst enemies that the sent gear was prepared for anyway.
      • Further financing of a state that already has full capabilities to wipe the floor with a largely irrevelant country.
    • @nooneescapesthelaw@lemmy.ml
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      Not really, every bullet fired in ukraine weakens russia, an invading country and therefore it hurts soldiers.

      The war in palestine kills innocent civilians and children

  • Ildsaye [they/them]
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    72 years ago

    The dividends will be deposited in the form of 9/11s

    Also as dollars for munitions industry owners